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Post by 5100 on Dec 7, 2006 3:49:57 GMT -5
Are Juliana Sanders' numbers that good? What a huge suprise, they must have ran out of other players then... She leads the team in attack percentage (.365) with averages of 2.32 kills, 1.43 blocks and 0.33 digs per game while adding eight assists. I was hoping Gregory would make the list, too but her attack numbers are too low (2.10 kills per game at .315 hitting). She leads Sanders in the other categories (1.63 blocks and 0.70 digs per game with 19 aces and 12 assists). Gregory is also the MB who gets to serve.
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Post by pope on Dec 7, 2006 4:39:28 GMT -5
Congrats to Kanoe, Jamie, Sarah and Juliana. Heard this is the most Hawaii has ever had in one year too.
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Post by parent on Dec 7, 2006 7:30:45 GMT -5
Does a player have to be named all-conference before they can be named all-region? Also, to be considered for an all-american award don't you have to play for a regionally ranked team or a nationally ranked team?
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 7, 2006 7:51:04 GMT -5
There is an inherent flaw in the AA system which is stat based. There are a lot of players out there who won't hit .375 or ave 1.6 blockspg, which is what you need (good stats) to be aknowledged. The "volleyball player" gets left out. Someone like Hodge or Merriwether will win these awards because of their numbers, which I aknowledge. I also feel like they should be all-americans. But, there are alot of "players out there who may not, because their games are not heavily loaded in any particular skill. I saw Carrie Demange play last weekend and she is one of the best "volleyball players" in the country. Hit, block, dig, make play's, serve, the whole package. I don't think Barboza or Larson will be POY, but there aren't any better "volleyball players" out there than those two (i'm sure I am leaving others out). Some people didn't think Keao Burdine should have been all-american because of her stats, but to me was one of the best 3-4 players in the country, again under my definition of "player". I would like to see volleyball skill, and volleyball IQ, recognized as well as physical talent and big numbers. Maybe there should be an award for that. Who would you name it after?
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 7, 2006 8:00:11 GMT -5
Keystonekid.
I agree absolutely with Burdine. The championship match her junior year was the first time I had seen her and I was pretty much floored by what a clutch player she is. And I agree too that those are the players that get omitted in the All American. It is impossible to quantify the intangibles.
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Post by bomber on Dec 7, 2006 8:33:44 GMT -5
There is an inherent flaw in the AA system which is stat based. There are a lot of players out there who won't hit .375 or ave 1.6 blockspg, which is what you need (good stats) to be aknowledged. The "volleyball player" gets left out. Someone like Hodge or Merriwether will win these awards because of their numbers, which I aknowledge. I also feel like they should be all-americans. But, there are alot of "players out there who may not, because their games are not heavily loaded in any particular skill. I saw Carrie Demange play last weekend and she is one of the best "volleyball players" in the country. Hit, block, dig, make play's, serve, the whole package. I don't think Barboza or Larson will be POY, but there aren't any better "volleyball players" out there than those two (i'm sure I am leaving others out). Some people didn't think Keao Burdine should have been all-american because of her stats, but to me was one of the best 3-4 players in the country, again under my definition of "player". I would like to see volleyball skill, and volleyball IQ, recognized as well as physical talent and big numbers. Maybe there should be an award for that. Who would you name it after? Keystone, if you're are looking for an example of what you are talking about, a volleyball player, look at Minnesota's Bowman. Her statistical numbers are not that strong, but she made the list at HM because of her volleyball skills.
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Post by BearClause on Dec 7, 2006 14:38:08 GMT -5
Keystonekid. I agree absolutely with Burdine. The championship match her junior year was the first time I had seen her and I was pretty much floored by what a clutch player she is. And I agree too that those are the players that get omitted in the All American. It is impossible to quantify the intangibles. Burdine did get on two AA teams, so it's not as if she fell through the cracks or anything. However - I do notice that many people are willing to switch stats with "intangible" when it suits their favorite players.
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Post by BearClause on Dec 7, 2006 14:43:37 GMT -5
Sydney Donahue is quite good. However - I don't think she was quite the pinpoint passer that Lee turned out to be. She's certainly very aggressive. She was also an all-around player at Mira Costa HS. Oh - which Davis are you referring to? Just asking. Nicole Davis, I think. She was pretty good. Still is. I like Jillian Davis myself. Fun to watch with a fiery on-court personality. Apparently she was tracking down everything against Cal Poly on Saturday.
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Post by kloka on Dec 7, 2006 18:54:17 GMT -5
all-american kristin richards not good enough to make all region?...makes no sense (and i don't know who should not be on the list just that she should)...perhaps she'll be appreciated a little more after austin and omaha...and yes, she is my favorite player...saturday, zeke's sports bar in sf - all volleyball fans welcome.
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Post by BearClause on Dec 7, 2006 19:03:26 GMT -5
all-american kristin richards not good enough to make all region?...makes no sense (and i don't know who should not be on the list just that she should)...perhaps she'll be appreciated a little more after austin and omaha...and yes, she is my favorite player...saturday, zeke's sports bar in sf - all volleyball fans welcome. Seriously. If you want to put her on the Pacific region 1st team list, who do you take off the current list? This isn't the All Pac-10 team where they can bump it up to 13 or 14 just because they feel like it. For better or worse, the number is set in stone at 12.
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Post by vbjonny on Dec 7, 2006 22:00:25 GMT -5
Wow. I thought Jon Stevenson was a shoo-in for Regional COY and had a very good shot at NCOY.
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Dec 7, 2006 23:01:36 GMT -5
vbjonny:
yes? your post seems to be devoid of a point.
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Post by vbjonny on Dec 7, 2006 23:11:28 GMT -5
Hello volleyball fans - Let me try to set the record straight regarding All American selections as well as the Regional Coach of the Year and the National Coach of the Year selection process. Over the past 5 years - years 33 through 37 of my volleyball career (three at Saint Mary's and two at Cal Poly), I have had an excellent vantage point from which to form opinions about who deserves,, and who does not deserve these prestigious accollades. I have read postings on this web site that call into question my personal role in nominating (my) student athletes and secondarily, my own eligibility for coaching awards. It is important to note that any and all nominations are contingent upon MY UPDATED AND CURRENT membership in the AVCA. Please feel free to draw your own conclusions. Let me set the record straight by stating that at Saint Mary's, the nomination process was entirely OUT OF MY HANDS! It was handled (or not handled - depending on how you look at it) by the Saint Mary's Sports Information department. As an editorial comment, it may be relevant to readers to know that it was the Saint Mary's administration and Sports Information department's failure to value women's volleyball in general (and as an ancillary point, the department's failure to nominate student athletes worthy of consideration for national awards) that gave me cause to consider my future at that institution. For the record, let me convey that I have the utmost respect for Saint Mary's current head coach, Rob Browning, and for the college itself. I believe that Saint Mary's College, under the guidance of ex-Athletic Director Carl Clapp (now at University of Hawaii) and current Athletic Director Mark Orr have put substantial resources behind the program and NOW support volleyball in a way that I had hoped for. The fact is that the program is now supported...but just too late for me. As far as players warranting National recognition, only Mandy Bible was worthy of consideration. Mandy led Saint Marys to the NCAA RECORD ASCENTION in National Rankings (from rpi #247 to #9). To bring this oratory to the present day, the fact is that Cal Poly's Sport Information Department DOES SUPPORT OUR VOLLEYBALL PROGRAM, but it was my own failure to meet the deadline for submitting candidates for All American consideration. The AVCA DID make an attempt to inform me of the need to update my membership. Because I had never been informed of the necessity to be AVCA members to receive consideration for All America or Coach of the Year Awards, I did not see the necessity in renewing my membership as long as it was done in advance of the upcoming convention. MY BAD!!! Had I known that it was on me to handle this entirely and that Kylie Atherstone's consideration for All American (as well as the committee's consideration of me for National Coach of the Year Honors) was contingent upon me updating my AVCA Membership, I certainly would have done so. Forgive me, sports fans, for being busy breaking down tape on Michigan and Cal in preparation for our first two rounds of the NCAA Tournament. I take full responsibility for what has taken place - Kylie Atherstone was clearly the most prolific player in the Big West Conference and is without a doubt, a First Team, All American caliber player. Whether or not I deserve any recognition is not important to me. Please know that Ky is a player that you must see...she is an unstoppable attacker who, in addition, has blocking numbers like those of a middle blocker. Kylie has also served jump serve aces that place her amongst the nation's best. She is a primary passer and dig balls as well. Kylie will be an All American for her Junior and Senior years, because this administrative faux paus will not happen again. Finally, I appreciate those of you who see our sport for what it is: the most exciting and tactically sophisticated sport there is. Go Cal Poly Mustangs and I will see you in the Final Four one day soon. Sincerly, Jon Stevenson
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Post by BearClause on Dec 7, 2006 23:38:32 GMT -5
What just happened here?
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 7, 2006 23:38:46 GMT -5
I nominate Jon Stevenson for Volley Talk's National Coach of the Year. No membership required here and Cal Poly really had a great season!
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