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Volley Talk :: Volleyball :: Women's/Girls' Volleyball Forum :: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency Page 1 of 2 » Jump to page   Go     Author Topic: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency (Read 896 times) MTC All-American member is offline I need some sugar-free kool-ad please. Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,085 Location: Carlisle,Pa. Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Thread Started on Nov 12, 2008, 9:41am » I am curious as to why there appears to be some secrecy about which players are on scholarship and which are walk-ons. Just the fact that many schools conceal this information is enough to arouse suspicion. I know this information provided to the public in football and basketball. What do you think of the current situation? Does it have any effect on high school recruits? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Learn from yesterday, live for today, and hope for tommorow. mikegarrison Professional member is online Joined: Nov 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 4,265 Location: Covington, WA Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #1 on Nov 12, 2008, 9:50am » Most workplaces conceal the salaries of employees from the other employees, to say nothing of the general public. I'm not sure this is any different. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged BearClause Hall of Fame member is offline A cloudy day in Īao Valley Joined: Oct 2002 Gender: Male Posts: 10,644 Location: Kensington, California Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #2 on Nov 12, 2008, 10:34am » It's not uncommon for the scholarship status to be listed for basketball players. http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/cal-m-baskbl-mtt.html Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged The buck stops here. Not Me All-American member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,073 Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #3 on Nov 12, 2008, 10:37am » While it may not be a big deal for the major programs where the scholarship is a full ride, most schools (DI, DII, DIII) do not give out full rides. S the kids are receive some level of scholarship. So that should not be made public. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged jgrout Cardinal Crowd member is online Joined: Dec 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 2,273 Location: San Mateo, CA Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #4 on Nov 12, 2008, 10:40am » Nov 12, 2008, 10:34am, BearClause wrote: It's not uncommon for the scholarship status to be listed for basketball players. http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/cal-m-baskbl-mtt.html But, as was at least implied, it is not listed for women's volleyball http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/w-volley/mtt/cal-w-volley-mtt.html or women's basketball http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/cal-w-baskbl-mtt.html Stanford doesn't list it for any of those sports. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "Leben Sie jetzt die Fragen. Vielleicht leben Sie dann allmählich, ohne es zu merken, eines fernen Tages in die Antwort hinein."... Rilke OverAndUnder All-World member is offline Sugar-coating VT posts since 2004 Joined: Sept 2004 Posts: 8,196 Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #5 on Nov 12, 2008, 11:36am » We don't want to hurt their widdle gurry feewings. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged thesnakeguy Junior member is offline Go Sundevils! Joined: Nov 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 270 Location: Arizona Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #6 on Nov 12, 2008, 11:40am » Nov 12, 2008, 10:37am, Not Me wrote: While it may not be a big deal for the major programs where the scholarship is a full ride, most schools (DI, DII, DIII) do not give out full rides. S the kids are receive some level of scholarship. So that should not be made public. I thought volleyball is a head count sport with 12 full ride scholarships available. Why would a D1 school not be giving full rides. Are they so cheap they will waste one of their 12 on a partial scholarship, or is there something I am missing here? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged The Fundimentals of Volleyball: 1. Bump 2. Set 3. Blame the Set BearClause Hall of Fame member is offline A cloudy day in Īao Valley Joined: Oct 2002 Gender: Male Posts: 10,644 Location: Kensington, California Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #7 on Nov 12, 2008, 11:47am » Nov 12, 2008, 11:40am, thesnakeguy wrote: I thought volleyball is a head count sport with 12 full ride scholarships available. Why would a D1 school not be giving full rides. Are they so cheap they will waste one of their 12 on a partial scholarship, or is there something I am missing here? Yeah. Athletic scholarships are considered budget items. A lot of athletic departments don't have the budget to fully fund 12 full rides. I remember some conferences effectively had limits on scholarships. The Ivy League doesn't allow for athletic scholarships by choice. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged The buck stops here. mango All-American member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,328 Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #8 on Nov 12, 2008, 12:36pm » If you based scholarships on economic need and not athletic ability, athletics would have a whole different landscape, especially in volleyball which tends to be a sport for affluent people. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged mikegarrison Professional member is online Joined: Nov 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 4,265 Location: Covington, WA Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #9 on Nov 12, 2008, 12:58pm » Nov 12, 2008, 12:36pm, mango wrote: If you based scholarships on economic need and not athletic ability, athletics would have a whole different landscape, especially in volleyball which tends to be a sport for affluent people. If you did that, we would have to call the system something else entirely. Something like: "Division III". Yeah, that has a nice ring to it. Maybe some schools should try that out sometime and see how it works out. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged MTC All-American member is offline I need some sugar-free kool-ad please. Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,085 Location: Carlisle,Pa. Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #10 on Nov 12, 2008, 1:53pm » I wonder if some coaches recruit players knowing that there will be no scholarship available. Then tell the ladies we want you but the schollies are all taken, if you would walk on I might be able to give you a scholly next year. By hiding the available scholarships, they can become flim-flam people. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Learn from yesterday, live for today, and hope for tommorow. BearClause Hall of Fame member is offline A cloudy day in Īao Valley Joined: Oct 2002 Gender: Male Posts: 10,644 Location: Kensington, California Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #11 on Nov 12, 2008, 2:18pm » Nov 12, 2008, 1:53pm, MTC wrote: I wonder if some coaches recruit players knowing that there will be no scholarship available. Then tell the ladies we want you but the schollies are all taken, if you would walk on I might be able to give you a scholly next year. By hiding the available scholarships, they can become flim-flam people. An honest coach will be upfront about whether or not they consider a recruit a scholarship player or not. Coaches understand that strong walk-on recruits to their program may be offered scholarships elsewhere. I know of several walk-ons who were on teams where the scholarships weren't maxed out. That doesn't mean that the walk-ons contributions weren't valued. You need 12 healthy players (and/or coaches) to practice full 6 on 6. The NCAA does have a process where players who were on scholarships that aren't renewed have a right to a hearing. It might be possible to give a one-year scholarship to non-seniors, but I'd think coaches might avoid that unless they really feel the player has become a scholarship-worthy contributor for the remainder of her stay in the program. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged The buck stops here. thesnakeguy Junior member is offline Go Sundevils! Joined: Nov 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 270 Location: Arizona Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #12 on Nov 12, 2008, 2:36pm » You could have a situation where you have seniors with scholarships that just graduated, but don't have any juniors moving up to be seniors. You would offer a player entering their junior year a scholarship because you have some available, knowing that the following year there won't be a scholarship for that junior because you will need it for the freshmen you have been recruiting. As long as you are up front with the junior they would be ok with that. Letting them know you want to reward them with the scholarship for this year in appreciation for the work they have done, but that they probably won't be getting the scholarship the following year. I agree that could be tough from a motivational standpoint, but I would rather give the available scholarship out than not use it at all and hopefully the players on the bubble of getting a scholarship understand where they rank on the team. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged The Fundimentals of Volleyball: 1. Bump 2. Set 3. Blame the Set baywatcher All-American member is online Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 2,347 Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #13 on Nov 12, 2008, 2:43pm » The libero has put a fork in the wheelworks. Out of 12 you used to have 4 OH, 4 MB, 2 OPP, 2 setters. Now you want your libero on scholarship, but take 2 or 3 DS to find your libero. Lose one of the other positions when your DS//Libero goes on scholarship, or two of them do, like Stanford. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged BearClause Hall of Fame member is offline A cloudy day in Īao Valley Joined: Oct 2002 Gender: Male Posts: 10,644 Location: Kensington, California Re: Pros & Cons of Scholarship Transparency « Reply #14 on Nov 12, 2008, 3:09pm » Nov 12, 2008, 2:36pm, thesnakeguy wrote: You could have a situation where you have seniors with scholarships that just graduated, but don't have any juniors moving up to be seniors. You would offer a player entering their junior year a scholarship because you have some available, knowing that the following year there won't be a scholarship for that junior because you will need it for the freshmen you have been recruiting. As long as you are up front with the junior they would be ok with that. Letting them know you want to reward them with the scholarship for this year in appreciation for the work they have done, but that they probably won't be getting the scholarship the following year. I agree that could be tough from a motivational standpoint, but I would rather give the available scholarship out than not use it at all and hopefully the players on the bubble of getting a scholarship understand where they rank on the team. You can certainly make it known up front that a scholarship is only for one year, but many cases where scholarship haven't been renewed became very difficult for the coach and players. Regardless of what was made know, a scholarship athlete with eligibility left has a right to a hearing if that scholarship isn't renewed. I really haven't heard of many walk-ons receiving one year scholarships save seniors. I have heard of walk-ons who received scholarships for all subsequent years (Marissa DaLee at Arizona comes to mind). I would think most athletic departments don't want to be in a position where they might need to defend their process to a review board. It's also still a budget expense. There may be pressures on a coach to not give scholarships except to front-line players expected to contribute regularly or as backups in competition. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged The buck stops here. Page 1 of 2 » Jump to page   Go     Forum Jump--------------------» Home--------------------» Volleyball--------------------- Women's/Girls' Volleyball Forum- Men's/Boys' Volleyball Forum--------------------» Non-Volleyball--------------------- Off the Net- Political Ramblings- Frequently Asked Questions about Volley Talk--------------------» archive--------------------- Olympic Volleyball - Beijing

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