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Post by karellen on Apr 16, 2009 11:48:22 GMT -5
So far there are three programs that have been cut from university/college athletis programs --
Quinnipiac
Wagner
Univ of Maine
Apparently, there is going to be a lawsuit over the Quinnipiac situation, so that could get interesting/ugly.
There is also speculation that other programs may soon follow suit.
Here is the question --
Where does this end? How many more, and which ones, will go?
Are the "big" programs like basketball and football also feeling the crunch? Or are sports like volleyball being cut to keep those budgets intact?
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Post by copiap on Apr 16, 2009 12:03:15 GMT -5
The unfortunatel reality is that volleyball is not important...it does not generate enough revenue to support itself (usually).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 12:05:54 GMT -5
The unfortunate reality is that revenue is tied to importance.
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Post by sonofdogman on Apr 16, 2009 12:09:00 GMT -5
Everyone is feeling the crunch. Mostly coming from State education budgets being slashed drastically due to current fiscal crisis. Jobs thread contained something about this is some state, but I don't recall which. No one ever said it explicitly, but the Tulane jobs, including the still open 2nd asst. which will not be official until mid to late summer, the ECU head coaching position, and likely others are all directly affected by budget directives from above. "Hiring freezes" in some states are affecting hires in all sports. I do not foresee many more programs cut entirely, but I assume that the smaller programs are at higher risk .
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Post by copiap on Apr 16, 2009 12:09:08 GMT -5
karellen you ask 'where does it end?' I don't believe we have begun to scratch the surface on what will happen to college athletics...we are a few years away from our economy recovering and then years beyound that for universities to rebound from the effects of it all  PS sonofdogman...i do hope you are right in your feeling of not many more programs to be cut! |
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Post by vboldskool on Apr 16, 2009 12:13:00 GMT -5
as an administrator, this is not germane to the sport of volleyball. Other sports are on the firing line as well - many schools have eliminated football in the not so distant past - St. Peter's comes to mind. So no football and basketball is not immune to cut backs.
But it is surprising that so many schools now are investigating adding it in these financial times. GA State starting next year, and South AL studying it. Those will be quite interesting to see how it works. Other smaller schools are starting it for the enrollment management boost in male students, minority attendance and pure enrollment dollars.
My sense is that we will see within five years a large shift in the NCAA. Fueled by the BCS Schools, but affecting everyone. DIII recently came close to a DIII - DIV split, and while it "died" I doubt it is completely dead. I see a fundamental split between DI, DIAA, DIAAA that will spread to all sports - not just football - with all sports having lower number of scholarships as you move down the list. The schools with the most to lose or gain will be those big basketball schools - without DI BCS or FCS football. Where will they go?
The Knight Commission is going to be examining commercialization of NCAA Sports in DC in a few weeks, it will be interesting to see what comes out of those meetings. Fascinating topic from many, many fronts - and no easy answers.
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Post by qc on Apr 16, 2009 12:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by setter1848 on Apr 16, 2009 13:03:13 GMT -5
I know of two specific assistant coaching positions that are not being filled until the new fiscal year. What is sad to me is that at one of the schools, they are having no problems replacing assistant football coaches.
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Post by donneyp on Apr 16, 2009 19:55:05 GMT -5
Below is a highlight from the ACLU release about the action against Quinipiac
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The complaint asserts that QU has long offered male students proportionately more opportunities than female students to participate in varsity intercollegiate athletics. As reported by QU, female students have only been afforded about half of athletic participation opportunities, despite the fact that women make up a larger percentage of the student body.
On March 27, 2009, the ACLU-CT sent a letter to QU President, John Lahey, requesting a dialog about continuation of the volleyball program. The letter highlighted QU’s shortcomings in Title IX compliance, “According to its own EADA [Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act] reports the University historically has had a female enrollment of around 62% but had a female athletic participation rate of only 50%. Given the discrepancies between the University’s EADA reports and its team rosters, the actual numbers are likely even more disparate.”
The complaint requests the court block QU from cutting the program while the issue is litigated.
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Post by unavballfan on Apr 16, 2009 21:07:04 GMT -5
as an administrator, this is not germane to the sport of volleyball. Other sports are on the firing line as well - many schools have eliminated football in the not so distant past - St. Peter's comes to mind. So no football and basketball is not immune to cut backs. But it is surprising that so many schools now are investigating adding it in these financial times. GA State starting next year, and South AL studying it. Those will be quite interesting to see how it works. Other smaller schools are starting it for the enrollment management boost in male students, minority attendance and pure enrollment dollars. My sense is that we will see within five years a large shift in the NCAA. Fueled by the BCS Schools, but affecting everyone. DIII recently came close to a DIII - DIV split, and while it "died" I doubt it is completely dead. I see a fundamental split between DI, DIAA, DIAAA that will spread to all sports - not just football - with all sports having lower number of scholarships as you move down the list. The schools with the most to lose or gain will be those big basketball schools - without DI BCS or FCS football. Where will they go? The Knight Commission is going to be examining commercialization of NCAA Sports in DC in a few weeks, it will be interesting to see what comes out of those meetings. Fascinating topic from many, many fronts - and no easy answers. south alabama did add football they start in the Fall...They I think just finished spring practice last week |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Apr 16, 2009 21:17:46 GMT -5
Within our lifetimes, we will see our society and the NCAA finally yield to the fact that the revenue-generating sports are exactly that -- a commercial industry whose goal is revenue. Just like any other business, the revenue is largely determined by the success of the product on the open market.
You don't have to be a Thomas Friedman acolyte to recognize that the "flattening" of the U.S. economy will soon force us to formally adopt more traditional guild-like systems such as are found in sports clubs around the world. The pseudo-egalitarian (yet culturally supremacist) myth that every person's goal should be a university degree and the accompanying induction into the upper classes, will unravel as it becomes increasingly obvious that there is no direct tie whatsoever between competitive sports and collegiate education.
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Post by donnyg on Apr 16, 2009 21:21:30 GMT -5
As far as eliminating girls volleyball from Quinnipiac, I feel for the coach who will be put in the middle of this. She probably would like to put this behind her but with litigation going on it will be tough. You can't leave a program in limbo so hopefully they can rectify this soon.
It's sad for the girls who really want to play the game but won't be able to participate, and for the recruits they had coming in (this goes for Univ. of Maine as well). I hope these girls find some type of scholarship money and can continue to play. In some cases things work out for the better.
I look at the demographics of some of these teams, and, although it may not happen in the near future, the concept of restructuring the conferences may become necessary to cut down on costs. The cost of airfare alone can be very costly to some of the smaller schools especially...if they didn't have to travel as far to play it could be a significant savings. Just a thought, nothing that I've heard of, just something to think about.
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Post by baldyballer on Apr 16, 2009 21:36:57 GMT -5
I'd like to see Quinnipiac's women's basketball budget. Most small to mid D-1 schools are paying so much to wbball that they could fire an assistant coach and keep the volleyball program a float. The fact that Basketball/Football coaches make so much more and do the same job as volleyball coaches is what really throws athletic budgets out of wack.
I say that they start a coaches union (that is not the AVCA) and do like teachers do. Start with a base coaching salary for all sports, with raises coming from wins and years of service (instead of credits and degrees earned). Imagine how that would change sports as we see it now!!
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Post by donneyp on Apr 16, 2009 23:06:52 GMT -5
Donnyg, the coach, several players and even some of the recruits at Quinnipiac are involved in the suit. They are not wanting to "move on" at all. They want to play for Quinnipiac, which is why they went there in the first place, and why they are pursuing this. This isn't the land of misfit toys anymore. QU started building a program and I hope they get to continue building.
Baldyballer, I believe you are looking for the DII PIAC whose coaches are unionized.
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Post by donnyg on Apr 17, 2009 7:26:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the insight. Hopefully it works out for them. I don't know what all is involved in this.
Does the NCAA get involved in any way?
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