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Post by pancake83 on Jun 29, 2009 13:08:09 GMT -5
sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=4293867I was just on Espn.com, and noticed Chris Evert complaining about all the 'grunting' or shrill shrieks in Tennis nowadays. Now, I'm somewhat indifferent, as I can't play tennis for a lick, but will watch a major from time to time, and I respect the game. I do think that it can get a little out of hand at times, but..... At the end of the article she states, "I don't understand the philosophy behind it"...okay now, let me know if you have heard this anywhere, as I heard it at a camp I was working from another coach, and I've actually took this with me to other club/camp settings with some effectiveness, if you can get the girls over themselves sounding weird or different: The coach said that if you grunt while you are trying to hit the ball on an attack in volleyball, it's like a timing mechanism, and that's why you hear tennis players doing so. Naturally, I was intruiged, and always like learning new ways to help younger girls or underdeveloped girls hitting with more power, so I tried it, and it worked to some degree. I tell the girls to grunt as loud as they can, while swinging fast and hard, working to develop a live and fast arm, not worrying about the location or result of the ball where it lands. Has anyone else used this technique with success or heard of that before? I can see where it might get annoying, and I have infact heard some girls at the college level do so all the time, but if it helps their timing, then by all means, go for it. Okay, talk amongst yourselves....
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Post by stonehands on Jun 29, 2009 13:29:19 GMT -5
When we train our younger players in explosive movement we try to emphasize the moment of explosion with exhalation. Sometimes they make noise and sometimes they don't. I always thought it stemmed from how you should be lifting (Exhale on Concentric Stroke). I guess now that I think about it there is a sort of timing involved, but I never thought about it that way. You hear martial arts participants vocalize all the time in forceful movements, I guess it would make sense in all sports. Weightlifters do it as do throwers.
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Post by ladeda on Jun 29, 2009 13:36:51 GMT -5
moaners outnumber screamers nearly 3 to 1.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Jun 29, 2009 13:38:00 GMT -5
I've been a believer for about five years. Like most techniques, it doesn't always make a significant difference for all people, but it does seem to help many players focus the final pike/swing of their attack, much like martial arts / yoga / pilates breathing.
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Post by digit on Jun 29, 2009 13:40:02 GMT -5
My dd was taught to exhale forcefully (as a release of energy) when she served in tennis. She never was terribly loud though. I do think Sharapova is over the top with her screams. I would hate for volleyball players to scream like her when they serve or hit... could you imagine how loud it would be at junior tournaments with a couple hundred of them screaming at the same time?
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jun 29, 2009 13:45:30 GMT -5
I do it when I spike the ball. its an old habit from small kid time when I took Karate lessons. Its about maximizing the KI energy for maximum force. Now that I think about it, it probably helps with timing as well.
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Post by aps987 on Jun 29, 2009 13:58:05 GMT -5
As a high level tennis player I'll give my two cents. You exhale to loosen your muscles when you contact the ball. When you hit a tennis ball you want to be as fluid as possible. Tense muscles will reduce the effectiveness of your depth and power on your shot. Grunting does help, to an extent. For me, as a grunter, it is more about concentrating on the game. Grunting helps keep my level of intensity and focus on my court and not on other things or the surrounding courts.
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Post by qc on Jun 29, 2009 14:34:26 GMT -5
moaners outnumber screamers nearly 3 to 1. This can't be right; it's 1-1. One team loses (moaners) and the other team wins (screamers). ;D |
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Post by asuvolley on Jun 29, 2009 14:35:00 GMT -5
As a timing mechanism...No
As a way to get young girls to hit harder...Yes
The idea behind the mechanism is proper muscle recruitment. If it takes moaning or screaming to learn it, then I say teach it. If you can teach the player girl or boy to have a very strong abdominal contraction without the obtrusive noise, then you have killed 2 birds with one stone.
If we want to discuss the plus and minuses of true "pressurized breathing techniques" that may be another thread.
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Post by qc on Jun 29, 2009 14:50:26 GMT -5
As a timing mechanism...No As a way to get young girls to hit harder...Yes The idea behind the mechanism is proper muscle recruitment. If it takes moaning or screaming to learn it, then I say teach it. If you can teach the player girl or boy to have a very strong abdominal contraction without the obtrusive noise, then you have killed 2 birds with one stone. If we want to discuss the plus and minuses of true "pressurized breathing techniques" that may be another thread. PETA will strike you down.  ;D |
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Post by lonewolf on Jun 29, 2009 15:31:34 GMT -5
As a timing mechanism...No As a way to get young girls to hit harder...Yes The idea behind the mechanism is proper muscle recruitment. If it takes moaning or screaming to learn it, then I say teach it. If you can teach the player girl or boy to have a very strong abdominal contraction without the obtrusive noise, then you have killed 2 birds with one stone. If we want to discuss the plus and minuses of true "pressurized breathing techniques" that may be another thread. PETA will strike you down. ;D and they're already unhappy with all the leather we use |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 16:12:29 GMT -5
Consider some of the alternatives. Grunting seems the lesser of several evils.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 16:33:48 GMT -5
There have been studies that have shown that a grunt or a scream increases the amount of force and energy that is generated. Although most of these studies involve other sports, such as Powerlifting and MMA, I believe that they can be applied to any power movement. Hitting is a power movement, so I can see where it can be applied. Can you hit hard without it? Sure. But even then, I think that if those athletes learn to do it correctly they could hit harder with it. That is just my opinion though. I personally do not scream very loud, but sometimes do let out a grunt.
However, I am not sure about the timing mechanism. I question that part.
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Post by ladeda on Jun 29, 2009 16:48:38 GMT -5
I remember the time when Tara Hittle was a freshman and she hit a rocket down the line at Fresno State that ended with this gigantic fart.
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Post by beachman on Jun 29, 2009 17:22:35 GMT -5
moaners outnumber screamers nearly 3 to 1. Gotta love the screamers though!  |
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