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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2006 23:07:56 GMT -5
Actually, it is true. Are there exceptions? Sure. Just like a comeback in SOS from 8-14 where BOTH sides do not play well. You can't throw out ONE game as an example and tell me it isn't true. Umm yeah I can....sorry I don't have record of ALL the rally score comebacks...just listed one I knew about....ok, here's another....2005 GT vs. Virginia down 14-8 game five, win something like 22-20....is the art of the comeback dead? No...is it very hard, yes. But a statement like "there's no comebacks in rally scoring" is false. I'm sure there are others with stories of their own.... Also fine. If that is what I said. It is not. |
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Post by Gorf on Oct 14, 2006 23:11:39 GMT -5
Actually, that comeback was largely assisted by the Gophers running out of subs and using one of their OHs in the backrow instead of a DS. GT also ran out of subs and had an OH (6'4" Lauren Sauer) playing backrow who never played backrow, in there.....it was great ball by both sides Gophers ran out before either team reached 30 points though.  In was indeed an exciting game to watch with both teams playing very well. Actually all three matches that weekend were exciting 5 gamers. What's happened to GT over the past couple of years though? It'd be good to see them get back into the thick of things again soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2006 23:23:37 GMT -5
Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt rally vs sideout scoring never actually effect who is in the lead or the margin of their lead (or if it does it would only be by one point if the team not starting with the serve wins the first point?)? All it does is make the game a less variable length... I'm not postiive about that, but it seems like it should be true... The receiving team only needs to score one service point to win the match. They could sideout, score on their serve, then trade sideouts for the rest of the match. A 1-0 win. Win the toss? Elect to receive. |
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Post by Gorf on Oct 14, 2006 23:41:10 GMT -5
yeah but a 20-26 comeback or something is much more exciting in rally scoring than it would be in SOS (if sos went to 30)... I think the difference is overrated... Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt rally vs sideout scoring never actually effect who is in the lead or the margin of their lead (or if it does it would only be by one point if the team not starting with the serve wins the first point?)? All it does is make the game a less variable length... I'm not postiive about that, but it seems like it should be true... It makes game somewhat shorter in length primarily by making the boring blowout games last longer the exciting close games shorter. Just the type of change you really want to see made to a sport. I can't wait for them to change the scoring in football for make those 42-0 games last longer and the 14-14 overtime games shorter. Football fans would be SO excited to see that happen. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 15, 2006 7:59:02 GMT -5
It makes game somewhat shorter in length primarily by making the boring blowout games last longer the exciting close games shorter. Just the type of change you really want to see made to a sport.. But it is. It is exactly the effect they wanted. The goal of rally scoring was to make match times more uniform. They actually DID want to shorten the time of the matches, and lengthen the blowouts. All indications are that rally scoring has indeed helped in that regard, although as has been noted, it does not address the main reason for variation in match length, and that is the number of games played. |
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Post by bumpinballs on Oct 16, 2006 8:59:30 GMT -5
In a NAIA finals match about 4 years ago, Lindenwood lost game 5 16-14 after being up 14-6... and that was GAME 5 OF A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP... talk about a heart breaker
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Post by Razorback on Oct 16, 2006 10:30:41 GMT -5
AR has posted some sad records this season: A couple of weeks ago they lost 15-17 the tiebreaker vs Miss after being up 13-7. Yesterday in game 3 against Auburn they were up 29-22!!! but ended up losing it 32-34  |
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Post by jgrout on Oct 16, 2006 10:59:31 GMT -5
The winner of a rally-scored game has at least a one-point edge in side-out scoring.
There are wild variations in how low (or high) a rally-scored game translates into side-out scoring. As a rally-scored game approaches a bagel, the winning team's side-out score can go well above 15. If two teams can't get the ball down, the winning team's side-out score can go well below 15.
Mark Kaminsky, a Bay Area volleyball observer who posts to rec.sport.volleyball, keeps track of what the side-out scores would be for each match he follows.
In Stanford's great come-from-behind five-gamer against UW at Burnham Pavilion in 2004, the rally scores were
28-30, 11-30, 30-27, 34-32, 20-18
and he reported that they translated into the following side-out scores:
12-13, 1-20, 14-11, 15-14, 9-7
When a team scores one point on serve in a game, is down 2-0 and comes back out and wins the match, that's pretty darn impressive (my guess is that Ogonna Nnamani had some things to say in the locker room).
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 16, 2006 11:06:53 GMT -5
Mark Kaminsky, a Bay Area volleyball observer who posts to rec.sport.volleyball, keeps track of what the side-out scores would be for each match he follows. And I should note, that means EVERY match he attends. Here are the scores from the Utah St vs San Jose St match San Jose State won, 25-30, 30-26, 28-30, 30-18, 15-8. The side-out scores were 8-12, 14-11, 12-13, 15-4, 9-2 I asked Mark about this once. Indeed, he actually keeps score at the match, and it's not just pulled off the play-by-play from gametracker, for example. He's kind of like my old friend who kept score at every MLB game she had attended, and that was a lot. She was in at least her second scorebook last I knew. |
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Post by ugopher on Oct 16, 2006 11:17:38 GMT -5
At least the format is the same for all 5 games. One thing I did not like about SOS was that the 5th game was decided via rally scoring. Totally different game/strategy and I thought it was a shame that good SOS matches had to be decided in that fashion.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 16, 2006 11:27:18 GMT -5
At least the format is the same for all 5 games. One thing I did not like about SOS was that the 5th game was decided via rally scoring. Totally different game/strategy and I thought it was a shame that good SOS matches had to be decided in that fashion. Didn't used to be that way...  |
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Post by BoilerUp! on Oct 16, 2006 12:10:19 GMT -5
I thought the main reason rally scoring was supposed to be good, was so TV matches could be expected to last a certain amount of time.
Since they cut the matches "due to time constraints" anyway, that point is moot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2006 12:28:49 GMT -5
Yes, except it's not the network that's stipulating 1 1/2 hours. That would be the Big10 -- or whoever purchases the time.
Still, they could do a better job of editing the match for 1 1/2 hours. Amazing what a few highlights would do, too.
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