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Post by Beachy on Apr 6, 2004 1:00:29 GMT -5
Very clever, Big Red, to get the whole thread talking by seemingly promoting UCLA (and dissing my beloved Beach). I have under-estimated you. Luckily, the MPSF will seed the tourney based on the conference results, not on your judgement ( ;D) IF (big IF) the expected results play out, BYU will get the top seed and the semis and finals will be in Provo. (email me, I will attend, love to meet you). If UCLA and LBSU tie in conference record, LBSU holds the tiebreaker. When the NCAA decides the at-large bid, remember they are not an MPSF entity. They act in their OWN in interests. They have chosen a qualified at-large team base on many different qualities that they have explained each year. Check past years and you will see they take into consideration the national ranking, the MPSF conference finish and the MPSF playoffs. All three are supposed to factor into their decision( it seems the order of importance changes each year). LBSU holds the conference tiebreaker against UCLA, they most likely will play UCLA in the MPSF playoffs (#2 should play #3) and they currently hold the #2 position in national rankings. Their destiny is in their own hands. Win MPSF or come in second. They should be in the final four. Should they lose to UCLA in the MPSFconference playoffs, then UCLA seems to have the bid. (don't bet on the NCAA, however). If they lose to any one else in the MPSF playoffs, they would still be considered a likely pick depending on who upset them and who came in first or second. For instance, if CSUN upset them but UCLA came in second(we'll give BYU first), LBSU is still a viable pick for at-large. They hold the overall advantage over CSUN (2-1) and hold the overall advantage over UCLA(2-0) AND hold the national ranking over both. (this could all change, of course, this next week). Pepperdine needs to win MPSF to go to FF, CSUN needs to win MPSF to go to FF ( even if they beat UCLA and LB). If one of these two teams win, I must gracefully concede that BYU will once again attend the FF. (See what a good sport I am! )) As much as the MPSF conference play was full of surprises, I think the favorites will win out in playoffs. Everything could go to hell in a handbasket if there are more than one upset.....hell, this is the MPSF, all the teams are good......no dis to MIVA, EIVA.......well maybe a little to EIVA ;D
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Post by My2Sense on Apr 6, 2004 1:00:50 GMT -5
Would something as simple as a letter writing campaign have an affect with the NCAA?
Rocky's completion of my thoughts are exactly why I made my comments, especially THIS year.
(Lewis has played four of the top teams from MPSF and lost all of them. IPFW has played 3 of the top teams from MPSF and also lost all of them. Yet, these are two teams being talked about as having a chance to go into the final four. It really is sad.)
If you know the names and addresses of the appropriate people to write to please post it.
For the record, I have no problem with with Eastern teams being in the FF. It's not an East vs. West thing with me. Lewis deserved to be in last year, and proved it. (Whether it holds up remains to be seen.) But those kids playing on the Western teams this year who are deserving of going to the FF should not be dislplaced because of the obvious and well documented philosophy of "spreading the popularity." It goes against every aspect of fair sportmanship I've ever known.
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Post by roy on Apr 6, 2004 1:07:29 GMT -5
I would absolutely support an 8 team NCAA tournament. And as vb says, some of the MPSF teams should get shipped to the MIVA and EIVA schools. I would create a schedule allowing the top 4 MPSF teams into the tournament, the top 2 MIVA, and the top 2 EIVA. The top 2 MPSF schools will host the second MIVA and EIVA team and the top MIVA and EIVA would host the bottom 2 MPSF teams. This will give a bit more exposure to volleyball around the nation.
And as a side note, weren't there 3 MPSF teams in the Final Four in the early years? In 1970 and 1972, 3 MPSF teams had players on the all tournament team.
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Post by vb on Apr 6, 2004 1:08:50 GMT -5
Doesn't basketball have teams traveling? (An East team can get a first seed in the West etc-etc?)
How about having Hawaii play in the EIVA (call it the East)
How about having UCI play in the MIVA (call it the North)
I hate to be the one to say it....but until Las Vegas has action on the VB ff, the TV ratings will be low and the progress slow.
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Post by Rocky on Apr 6, 2004 1:52:06 GMT -5
Beachy - could you please explain the overall advantage Long Beach has? You state it is 2-1. They have only played once in conference so far. If you count the Elephant Bar tournament, CSUN beat Long Beach so the record for this year is 1-1. I don't get the 2-1.
Hey vb - I have another school comparison for you: USC - they are just not allowed to play for #1 in the nation (according to BCS computers) so forget about event putting them in the final four.
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 6, 2004 1:58:53 GMT -5
How about coming East then? Have Hawaii play Lewis in the dead of winter...let see who wins. Pepperdine did that and won easily. The Final Four was at Penn State in 2002 for an all MPSF final . The truth is there isn't a team from the MIVA who has done anything thus far to deserve to play for a national championship.
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Post by 814 on Apr 6, 2004 2:54:41 GMT -5
blah blah blah, let's not forget psu beat hawaii at hawaii's place....mahalo!
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Post by VBCrusin on Apr 6, 2004 3:00:24 GMT -5
My "two cents worth"...
I get the feeling that BYU is a shoo in for the NCAA (MPSF winner or at-large berth)...I wouldn't be surprised to see either Long Beach and UCLA win the MPSF final. This promises to be a very close MPSF race between these three teams. It's anyone's race.
We'll see. Talk to you later.
VBCrusin
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Post by 814 on Apr 6, 2004 3:00:30 GMT -5
by the way...Beachy, do you even play volleyball or do you just drool over the players you want to be? if you do not play at the D1 level keep your mouth shut and dream about being a player at any team in the MPSF, MIVA, or EIVA. Hell maybe a shot at club volleyball or 35 and over league...knowledge pro...
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Post by vballmom on Apr 6, 2004 8:09:34 GMT -5
Beachy played on a D1 team that won a national title (a few years ago ) and she is now an excellent coach.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 6, 2004 12:03:14 GMT -5
814-this is a friendly board--sometimes argumentative, but not a hostile place. A few people know each other on here but we don't really know that much about anyone. Sounds like she has D1 experience we all wish we had. Just be careful on how hostile your comments are. Beachy is just expressing an opinion which she is entitled to. If you disagree, tell us why. Try not to make it a personal attack. She gave a fair analysis. So what if PSU beat UH at home? Who hasn't this year? I would like to see PSU do it now. Won't happen. PSU is a bully out in the EIVA. Yes they need better competition, no they cannot help it.
Anyway my point is don't take things personal. Trust me on that. I used to be a little more argumentative, right everyone? Atleast I can blame it on Law School.
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Post by Beachy on Apr 6, 2004 12:14:00 GMT -5
Thanks for getting my back, Big Red and vballmom. (by the way, make that 2 national championships) and 814, make that a waa-a-ay over 35 league and I might have chance! ;D Are you mad because I didn't mention PSU?...or because I dissed the EIVA (ever so nicely)? Big Red, you may have missed where I stated IF everything plays out without upsets. I am making the assumption that LBSU beats CSUN next week....I have great respect for CSUN and understand that it may not happen that way. That's why I said IF everything plays out as expected (as I expect anyway ) For my entire anaylsis to have any weight, there would be no upsets of BYU or any other teams....and the odds of that happening are.......?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Apr 6, 2004 13:03:29 GMT -5
Pepperdine did that and won easily. The Final Four was at Penn State in 2002 for an all MPSF final . The truth is there isn't a team from the MIVA who has done anything thus far to deserve to play for a national championship. True. Location didn't make a difference for Hawai'i as they beat the Hometown Nittany Lions in front of their fans in 2002. Nor was it an issue when Penn State got lucky against the Warriors early on in the season in Hawai'i. It's unfortunate that the best teams in the men's game don't always get to the final four.
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Post by H2O on Apr 9, 2004 23:59:35 GMT -5
I can't believe this is even a topic of discussion. With the parity in the MPSF this year, the second place team in the MPSF tournmanet should get the at large bid. The tournament has to mean something besides making money. If it doesn't, why have it. There is no other conclusion, or all other options are not options.
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Post by Beachy on Apr 10, 2004 0:10:46 GMT -5
I agree with some of what you say....but then the same thing could be said about conference play....if it is not taken into consideration, then why play it? But I do think that whoever is strongest at the end of the season deserves to go. (actually, I think several teams deserve to go but that is a whole other topic)
You are right,,,no one cares what we say on this forum. The NCAA decides the at-large. They have not always chosen the MPSF tournament runner-up. Several notable times they have chosen otherwise. Long Beach has been on both the good end and the bad end of that decision (so has several other schools)
I do question whether the MPSF tourney makes any money at all......the idea of having playoffs in Hawaii has been talked about for that very reason.
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