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Post by hoosierman on Nov 28, 2006 22:31:40 GMT -5
Christal displayed her talents throughout the Pac10 season and Nana did not; it's that simple. It's that simple? This is probably one of the most asinine, superfluous comments I've seen made on VT.
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Post by ooreo46 on Nov 29, 2006 6:39:16 GMT -5
I've seen UCLA play live (in Hawaii) and on tv. Nana never did play backrow. No matter how good of a hitting percentage and number of blocks she racks up (which is impressive to say the least), she has always been one dimensional. It's much easier as a player to concentrate solely on hitting and blocking. Kills and blocks can only get a team so far people. Let's see her serve and play backrow defense for an entire rotation. Will her stats still be up to par? Guarantee you not.
Nuff said.
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Post by tsunami on Nov 29, 2006 8:00:45 GMT -5
It's nice to see all the Nana Meriweather supporters online fighting for her good name. But we all know just because you can hit and block doesn't automatically make you POY material, it usually goes to a player that can hit, block, dig, and pass. Morrison was the better player, plain and simple!
Last season Melissa Elmer was a damn good MB in the BIG 12, led the country in blocks and bpg. POY honors went to teammate instead.
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Post by lurkinabout on Nov 29, 2006 8:13:30 GMT -5
All this arguing between Christal vs. Nana still won't change the results one bit. Let's move on.
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Post by UJ on Nov 29, 2006 9:50:27 GMT -5
Reading the Christal vs. Nana debate and after seeing that Taylor Carico got Pac-10 FOY (...congrats to her), I thought about another freshman setter that did not get that award when she was a freshman, Bryn Kehoe.
Looking back at the stats for 2004 her assist pct. was 12.40 p/g She had 1637 total assists and 364 digs with 81 blocks (.61 blocks p/g).
These numbers were actually better than Taylor's (not to dismiss her award) and Kehoe won a national championship as a freshman. Granted, they played a few more games than USC has at this point.
Now she's finally getting a little attention, and yet everyone seems to forget she severely fractured her hand halfway thru the season last year! Now, I may be a huge Kehoe Fan, but look at the numbers and know that is only part of the story.
Go Stanford!
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Post by VolleyTX on Nov 29, 2006 10:11:03 GMT -5
Good Grief. I will say it again..... name me 3 current Middle blockers in Div I or International players who play back row. Even internationally.... the middle blocker position has become very specialized. To blame her for not passing and playing defense is almost like blaming a libero for not getting enough kills during the season.
Nana has probably put up the biggest numbers (blocking and hitting) of just about ANY middle blocker, ever in Div 1. Nuff said!
My biggest argument is that we need to take middle blockers out of contention for POY. It appears that there is an unwritten rule that a player must play all the way around. Just as someone else said..... if you can't win POY as a middle blocker with Nana's numbers.... what does it take?
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Post by ooreo46 on Nov 29, 2006 18:55:19 GMT -5
It's nice to see all the Nana Meriweather supporters online fighting for her good name. But we all know just because you can hit and block doesn't automatically make you POY material, it usually goes to a player that can hit, block, dig, and pass. Morrison was the better player, plain and simple! Last season Melissa Elmer was a damn good MB in the BIG 12, led the country in blocks and bpg. POY honors went to teammate instead. Right on!
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Post by ooreo46 on Nov 29, 2006 18:56:48 GMT -5
Good Grief. I will say it again..... name me 3 current Middle blockers in Div I or International players who play back row. Even internationally.... the middle blocker position has become very specialized. To blame her for not passing and playing defense is almost like blaming a libero for not getting enough kills during the season. Nana has probably put up the biggest numbers (blocking and hitting) of just about ANY middle blocker, ever in Div 1. Nuff said! My biggest argument is that we need to take middle blockers out of contention for POY. It appears that there is an unwritten rule that a player must play all the way around. Just as someone else said..... if you can't win POY as a middle blocker with Nana's numbers.... what does it take? Last year, Victoria Prince served and stayed backrow before the other team got a side out. ATLEAST she played backrow while she could.
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Post by LanaiBoy on Nov 29, 2006 19:33:43 GMT -5
Good Grief. I will say it again..... name me 3 current Middle blockers in Div I or International players who play back row. Even internationally.... the middle blocker position has become very specialized. To blame her for not passing and playing defense is almost like blaming a libero for not getting enough kills during the season. Nana has probably put up the biggest numbers (blocking and hitting) of just about ANY middle blocker, ever in Div 1. Nuff said! My biggest argument is that we need to take middle blockers out of contention for POY. It appears that there is an unwritten rule that a player must play all the way around. Just as someone else said..... if you can't win POY as a middle blocker with Nana's numbers.... what does it take? As I stated before Nana does not come close to putting up the numbers of Heather Bown, especially in blocks (averaged 2.25 per game). But you make a good point. With the establishment of the libero position, would Dave Shoji have replaced Angela Lundquist in the back row in favor of a libero? Angela was Hawaii's best passer and lead the team in digs. I would say that Dave would have used a DS for the MB2, not used a libero, and kept Angela in the back row. Anyone with a contrary opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 19:40:29 GMT -5
More blatant Pac-10 bias. How come Hodge didn't get some votes for this award?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2006 19:47:04 GMT -5
More blatant Pac-10 bias. How come Hodge didn't get some votes for this award? Probation extended indefinitely.
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Post by BeiBei on Nov 29, 2006 20:25:05 GMT -5
Reading the Christal vs. Nana debate and after seeing that Taylor Carico got Pac-10 FOY (...congrats to her), I thought about another freshman setter that did not get that award when she was a freshman, Bryn Kehoe. Looking back at the stats for 2004 her assist pct. was 12.40 p/g She had 1637 total assists and 364 digs with 81 blocks (.61 blocks p/g). These numbers were actually better than Taylor's (not to dismiss her award) and Kehoe won a national championship as a freshman. Granted, they played a few more games than USC has at this point. Morrison was the PAC 10 FOY that year(2004) and she led Washington to their #1 ranking even when Tomasevic was out with an injury. Moreover, she was a 2nd team AA , I do not think Kehoe has what it takes to challenge her for that award.
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Post by MightyMouse on Nov 29, 2006 20:52:32 GMT -5
I think even CM was suprised to get POY ...
If you look at confrerence-only stats maybe that was what the coaches looked at?
Compared to overall NM's K/g, Pct., Pts/g all decreased in Pac-10 play while her b/g increased. She ended up second to Foluke Akinradewo in hitting pct. in Pac-10 matches.
For CM her k/g, pts/g, SE/g, and d/g all got better while her pct., SA/g, and B/g all decreased.
I guess the fact that Nana did not end up leading the Pac in hitting percentage coupled with the fact that she did not play every available part of her position (ie. serving and playing backrow for that one rotation) hurt her chances. (As a sidenote ... Nana has served and played backrow in other seasons and I thought her serve and quickness would allow her to be able to do these skills well).
I think that MB, S, and L are just tougher positions to earn recognition, and that's not specific to the Pac-10. And, no, it's not fair.
There are a bunch of talented players in the Pac-10, and I'm sure this was a hard decision. Fairly or unfairly it may have come down to the fact that opposing coaches have to worry about NM in only 3 rotations while CM can hurt you in all 6 (hitting, blocking, passing, digging, and taking libero responsibilities and the second ball when Tamari Miyashiro is off the floor). Both, however, are fantastic players that no-one wants to see on the other side of the net.
Not to change the subject, but is anyone else interested to see a UCLA-Nebraska FF match-up? I think of all the Pac-10 teams UCLA may be the toughest match-up for Nebraska (or maybe USC if they are really on like they were at Stanford?).
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Post by bigfan on Nov 29, 2006 22:13:53 GMT -5
Not to change the subject, but is anyone else interested to see a UCLA-Nebraska FF match-up? Nebraska will have to defeat Pac-10 Arizona just to get to the FF.
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Post by blastingsand on Nov 29, 2006 22:31:05 GMT -5
Not to change the subject, but is anyone else interested to see a UCLA-Nebraska FF match-up? Nebraska will have to defeat Pac-10 Arizona just to get to the FF. Isn't it Arizona State?
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