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Post by Gorf on Dec 18, 2006 20:30:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's technicallly considered scalping if you don't sell the tickets for more than the face value of the tickets.
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Post by BearClause on Dec 18, 2006 20:52:41 GMT -5
I don't think it's technicallly considered scalping if you don't sell the tickets for more than the face value of the tickets. Most of the local or state laws address selling tickets at the event site, although that's typically not enforced consistently. Some states do have a ticket reselling law that limits the premium that can be charged anywhere. In New York, it's $5 or 10% - whichever is greater. I remember once I tried unloading a single ticket for a baseball game after I managed to get a pair so I could go with my dad. A team employee said we couldn't sell anything there (it would have to be at the least across the street), even at face value or less. So my dad got all huffy and asked if we could give it away, at which point he said yes and someone got our extra ticket for free.
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Post by Kampy on Dec 20, 2006 9:42:18 GMT -5
Don't think it's been brought up in any thread yet, but why did the trophy get shoved into John Cook's hand 1 second after the winning point? Can't tell who it is that hands it to him, but that seems a bit odd that everyone on the bench is celebrating and he gets the trophy thrust in his face. Kind of anti-climactic.
Was this a similar situation last year? I recall that Tomasevic had the trophy in her hands immediately after the match.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2006 10:03:55 GMT -5
Don't think it's been brought up in any thread yet, but why did the trophy get shoved into John Cook's hand 1 second after the winning point? Can't tell who it is that hands it to him, but that seems a bit odd that everyone on the bench is celebrating and he gets the trophy thrust in his face. Kind of anti-climactic. Was this a similar situation last year? I recall that Tomasevic had the trophy in her hands immediately after the match. I saw it on the replay, a dressed up lady put it in Cook's hands right away. I like the older times when they got the trophy after they got the individual awards. Same thing happened last year.
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Post by FreeBall on Dec 20, 2006 19:02:07 GMT -5
I noticed Cook with the trophy almost immediately after Larson's spike clinched the match. He looked around for a moment with a quizzical look on his face, like he was thinking "What do I do with this?" He then put it down on the floor right where he was standing, and walked away to shake hands with Coach Dunning. I didn't pay attention to what happened with the trophy after that point.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 25, 2006 0:58:19 GMT -5
As for the homecourt advantage, it helps, but some people are making it a much bigger deal than it was. I thought Nebraska was the best team there. I don't have an anti pac 10 bias, because last year i said UDub would definately win. Stanford (at HOME) barely beat a team the Huskers swept twice, so i don't think they have any room to cry about how Nebraska only won because of HCA. Its tough though, to use a team's victory margin to base its strength. I say that because Washington beat a Colorado team that beat Nebraska at Colorado. They beat them 3-1, where Nebraska lost 2-3. Then they got demolished by Stanford in the semis. Does that mean Washington would've won against Nebraska? Hard to tell.
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Post by highflyer on Dec 25, 2006 8:38:52 GMT -5
It really didn't matter where the game was going to be played. Pavan said she wasn't going to let her team lose and she didn't. The Huskers were not going to be denied. Period.
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Post by highflyer on Dec 25, 2006 8:40:38 GMT -5
If you want to use the home court argument, perhaps we should back it up a couple of matches. Perhaps the only reason Washington was in the final four is because they got to play their regional final at home!!
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Post by StuffU on Dec 25, 2006 12:59:20 GMT -5
If you want to use the home court argument, perhaps we should back it up a couple of matches. Perhaps the only reason Washington was in the final four is because they got to play their regional final at home!! This is something I completely agree with. While the Huskies were a great team at home, they really didn't show any prowess on the road. And, unlike teams from outside the Top 3 conferences, Washington had quite a few chances to show how good they were on the road .. and never really did. Not that it matters anyway, but I still contend that Washington was not among the Top 4 teams in the country. They had the talent to be one of the Top 4, but it just didn't come together like it probably should have. All in all, still a great season for them considering what the Huskies lost last year.
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Post by roofed! on Dec 25, 2006 14:16:53 GMT -5
Regarding the trophy, it is almost always immediately handed over to the winning team about the championship points. I was in Dallas in 2003, and while the USC team was still jumping up and down on the court, a lady walked out with the trophy and handed it over to nearest USC player, Katie Olsovsky (if I remembered correctly). After the trophy was passed around the team, and the team settled down for the award presentation, they took back the trophy for formal presentation -- after giving individual trophies to the players, then they invited the captains forward to hand over the trophy.
One good thing about the tv coverage this year was that they stayed with vball for a good 10 minutes after the last kill. In past years, ESPN would immediately cut to the women basketball matches that had already started. So good to see Cook and the players interviewed.
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Post by roofed! on Dec 25, 2006 14:22:27 GMT -5
I don't understand why posters would want to diminish Nebraska's title due to HCA. Sure, they had that advantage with 17,000 Nebraskan fans despite being away from Coliseum. So what? Any postings about "what if" is just woulda, coulda, shoulda....Stanford had opportunities to win game 3 and nullify Nebraska's HCA and had Stanford gone on to win, Nebraska would have been accused of "choking" in fronts of its homecrowd.
Every year, there'll be teams that will have HCA in postseason, especially in regionals. Those teams would be foolish not to take advantage of that.
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Post by roofed! on Dec 25, 2006 14:28:05 GMT -5
As for the homecourt advantage, it helps, but some people are making it a much bigger deal than it was. I thought Nebraska was the best team there. I don't have an anti pac 10 bias, because last year i said UDub would definately win. Stanford (at HOME) barely beat a team the Huskers swept twice, so i don't think they have any room to cry about how Nebraska only won because of HCA. Its tough though, to use a team's victory margin to base its strength. I say that because Washington beat a Colorado team that beat Nebraska at Colorado. They beat them 3-1, where Nebraska lost 2-3. Then they got demolished by Stanford in the semis. Does that mean Washington would've won against Nebraska? Hard to tell. Nope, UW wouldn't have a chance against Nebraska....the Huskies did not have consistent firepower. Yup Mussie was great in Colorado but she's also a player who could disappear in matches. There is no point of "if Team A beat Team B and Team B beat Team C, then Team A will definitely beat Team C". The national championship is based on elimination rounds, and if you don't cut the mustard in any earlier rounds, you have no business being in the championship match.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 25, 2006 21:30:08 GMT -5
Its tough though, to use a team's victory margin to base its strength. I say that because Washington beat a Colorado team that beat Nebraska at Colorado. They beat them 3-1, where Nebraska lost 2-3. Then they got demolished by Stanford in the semis. Does that mean Washington would've won against Nebraska? Hard to tell. Nope, UW wouldn't have a chance against Nebraska....the Huskies did not have consistent firepower. Yup Mussie was great in Colorado but she's also a player who could disappear in matches. There is no point of "if Team A beat Team B and Team B beat Team C, then Team A will definitely beat Team C". The national championship is based on elimination rounds, and if you don't cut the mustard in any earlier rounds, you have no business being in the championship match. Well said, that was the point of my post, you can't predict victories through those records
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Post by baywatcher on Dec 25, 2006 23:24:39 GMT -5
A true Stanford fan, but have to admit Nebraska won fair and square; everyone knew it was coming and Stanforrd went to the AVCA event the year before knowing the team would get to experience Q West, which they all did. Wasn't enough. But this Nebraska team "worked it's way up, from final Eight, to Final, to winner, and perhaps Stanford will know how to win the final next year. Or, if Nebraska is as good as they could be, maybe not. If Houghtelling comes back strong Nebraska could be one of the great teams of all time.
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Post by nodisrespect on Dec 26, 2006 2:52:23 GMT -5
I remember BYU Men's Lindeman or Antoinette stole the trophy from a man and ran away with it. Then when Hawaii won it in 2002, Miladinovic was trying to get the trophy but security or whatever was holding him back.
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