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Post by BearClause on Dec 18, 2006 16:26:57 GMT -5
In addition, there was one rather shady character involved in UCLA's recruiting. Wolfgang? I don't know if Beachman or Wolfgang go quite as far back as Sam Gilbert did. |
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 18, 2006 16:27:59 GMT -5
Bear Clause don't forget UCLA basketball had a "sugar daddy" which Wooden conveniently turned his eye away from, a whole lot of shady dealings. It wasn't a coincidence when all the best players started enrolling in Westwood.
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Post by Floyd R. Turbo on Dec 18, 2006 16:29:54 GMT -5
Bear Clause don't forget UCLA basketball had a "sugar daddy" which Wooden conveniently turned his eye away from, a whole lot of shady dealings. It wasn't a coincidence when all the best players started enrolling in Westwood. That was Sam Gilbert, right? Or is there another skeleton in the UCLA closet? |
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Post by BearClause on Dec 18, 2006 16:51:33 GMT -5
Certainly I'm not accusing Coach Cook or anyone at Nebraska of doing anything shady like Sam Gilbert did for UCLA. However - much of the success in any sport is getting superior athletes to play for your team. There's no doubt that Nebraska has been able to recruit really well over the years to put themselves in a position to win a national championship.
What I don't particularly care for in the reverence for John Wooden is that there are very few mentions that the talent he amassed was probably more important that his "pyramid of success". He'd been a head coach at UCLA for 16 years before UCLA got its first title. This was back in the day where one could have moderate success without getting fired for not winning a national championship.
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Post by YellowC on Dec 18, 2006 17:09:18 GMT -5
Does the NCAA test for drugs before the Final Four?
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Post by huskervbfan on Dec 18, 2006 18:06:40 GMT -5
Actually, I just happen to have my media guide sitting here at work.  The words Nebraska used are: Success Confidence Integrity Communication Effort Love Respect Selflessness Passion My guide also has "FAITH" and "FIGHT" just below SUCCESS and then below you last line, it has "BUILD". The players are all coming together between Faith and Fight with their hands held high and touching the word "Success" while standing on the words "Confidence, Integrity, and Communication. Pretty dramatic actually. |
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Post by yellowcardtx on Dec 18, 2006 19:48:26 GMT -5
sounds like something's missing from what lilred posted.
anyone have a scanner and willing to scan it and post it?
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 18, 2006 19:54:51 GMT -5
In addition, there was one rather shady character involved in UCLA's recruiting. Wolfgang? Sam Gilbert, you doof! |
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 18, 2006 19:55:22 GMT -5
That pyramid seems rather hokey.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 18, 2006 20:03:08 GMT -5
Are you implying that bigfan is Sam Gilbert? |
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Post by Anonymous on Dec 18, 2006 20:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by bunnywailer on Dec 18, 2006 20:57:15 GMT -5
I patented the trapezoid of success awhile back, but no one really follows it.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 18, 2006 22:17:28 GMT -5
Ya shouldsa done the rhombus of success - that woulda had a huge following.
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Post by bearwatch on Dec 18, 2006 23:15:54 GMT -5
Personally I think Wooden was full of it. It's not as if he was able to accomplish much without having the best players coming to UCLA. He wasn't all that successful until the 60's, when he started recruiting better. There's no doubt that he was a technically sound basketball coach, but it's not as if he had been able to turn a group of slightly above average college basketball players into a championship winning team (a la Pete Newell). He did it with a group of star players who were willing to sit on the bench and wait their turn. In addition, there was one rather shady character involved in UCLA's recruiting. Doesn't matter how long it took, 10 national championships in 12 years requires something very, very special. Coach Wooden was known by many for his christian values, and respect for self and others. He inspired each player to become their best person as well as best player. He has influenced coaches to coach the right way. His impact on coaching, in every sport, is unmatched. For you to say he was "full of it" is insulting to every coach who follows his model and that's an awful lot of coaches. |
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 18, 2006 23:38:18 GMT -5
It's interesting that BC mentioned that John Wooden wanted to ban dunks. Of course, in hindsight, the dunk is what elevated the game to new heights, so to speak, with a new (and wider) audience. The spectacular air acrobatics, that's what they want.
Of course, if I were alive back then, I probably would've wanted to ban dunks, too. There's something about a basketball player touching the rim that bothers me. Still do. However, I like dunks. I just hate it when they hang on for several minutes, kicking and writhing while they're at it.
That's what volleyball needs. Something spectacular and eye-popping. Something that the John Woodens of the world would object to.
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The words Nebraska used are:
