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Post by ladeda on Apr 20, 2007 11:51:30 GMT -5
A Mamba is also a deadly large snake found in Africa. I also make a great Mamba protein shake with fresh strawberries and banana.
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Post by cougvb on Apr 20, 2007 12:05:34 GMT -5
I think it would be perfectly reasonable for a student to rethink her choice in University, especially if she found better academic or cultural opportunities elsewhere. Why is loyalty a factor ? Coaches are not loyal to their players, they only play the ones that give them the best performance so they can notch another NCAA bid to their belt. Neither of these girls is transferring because of their major or cultural opportunities. And, most coaches are loyal to their players. I'm sure coaches make recruiting errors, but I can't recall a coach taking away a scholarship because they weren't the player they thought they would be. I'm sure it's happened, but can't recall hearing it ever happen on this board. If the player is willing to sit the bench for four years, I believe most coaches chalk it up to a bad recruiting move and eat that scholarship. Now if a player doesn't want to sit the bench and wants to be released, most coaches are happy to do it. Consider this scenario: A coach calls a sophomore player into his/her office in April. "You know, we made a mistake when we recruited you. Sorry, but we'd be happier if you would play elsewhere, so we're not renewing your scholarship. Oh, by the way, you can't go on our Europe trip next month, either. No hard feelings, we just committed to you too early and we aren't happy now." A player who is on the bench deserves a chance to play somewhere-give them a release if they request it. A starter/significant contributor sees greener pastures, make them sit a year. It's called choice have consequences. I'm curious-are these two girls a package? Do they want to play at the same school? That hasn't been addressed, I don't think. If either or both end up at Arizona State, Mike Wall will look guilty as sin. (Asst at Utah in 2005)
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Post by romeo on Apr 20, 2007 12:37:27 GMT -5
What is said on this board reflects about 2% of what goes on. OK, so I pulled that percentage out of my rearend. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It happens a lot, and the players involved keep their mouths shut so that the fraternity of coaches don't blackball the kid and she might have a shot at getting into a different program. There are a lot of coaches that don't have any problem at all with riding a kid hard so that they will quit. If that doesn't work, then they just say that they can't renew the schollie, sorry. Then people on this board criticise that kid without knowing what is really going on. I'm not saying that has happened at Utah, obviously it hasn't because they were top players. But don't make blanket statements that are absolutely false. A majority of coaches wouldn't, I'm sure that's probably true. But there are a LOT that would because they want that ole schollie available.
[quote author=cougvb board=general thread=1176517949 post=1177088734
I'm sure coaches make recruiting errors, but I can't recall a coach taking away a scholarship because they weren't the player they thought they would be. I'm sure it's happened, but can't recall hearing it ever happen on this board. If the player is willing to sit the bench for four years, I believe most coaches chalk it up to a bad recruiting move and eat that scholarship.[/quote][/i]
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Post by highflyer on Apr 20, 2007 12:40:19 GMT -5
The article does make Salvo sound like an idiot and now she has resorted to the old "I'm not happy" to justify her move. Nice try. She is just a spoiled little girl, and that goes for her friend also.
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Post by highflyer on Apr 20, 2007 12:41:46 GMT -5
Stick by your guns Beth. Make them sit a year. They deserve it. These two girls have spent too much time reading their press clippings. We'll see how they perform night in and night out when they are in a real conference.
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Post by blob on Apr 20, 2007 12:47:28 GMT -5
"......Consider this scenario: A coach calls a sophomore player into his/her office in April. "You know, we made a mistake when we recruited you. Sorry, but we'd be happier if you would play elsewhere, so we're not renewing your scholarship. Oh, by the way, you can't go on our Europe trip next month, either. No hard feelings, we just committed to you too early and we aren't happy now." ....
This actually happens more than you'd think. At my daughters school I've seen it happen and the coach used almost the exact words that you quoted
Coaches aren't loyal- they are driven to win.
I agree with the basic premise that a lot of kids are spoiled. As a parent, I've always insisted that my daughter learn to deal with adversity without parental intervention. No program is perfect, as is no job in life. I've never gotten involved with any of her coaches, and trust me, some of them have been real pieces of work. But it has served her well to deal with problems, and I've definitely seen her mature as a result.
But loyalty needs to start at the top with the coaches.
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Post by palo on Apr 20, 2007 12:52:14 GMT -5
Ok so this really has nothing to do with this thread does it? Did Utah's coaching staff tell these two they weren't renewing their money? If you want to disparrage coaches start your own thread about those coaches. But so far I haven't heard anything about this staff that would make it sound like these players have a reason to leave. In all accounts I've read everyone is saying "Beth is a good coach."
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Post by volleydog on Apr 20, 2007 12:56:14 GMT -5
What is said on this board reflects about 2% of what goes on. OK, so I pulled that percentage out of my rearend. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It happens a lot, and the players involved keep their mouths shut so that the fraternity of coaches don't blackball the kid and she might have a shot at getting into a different program. There are a lot of coaches that don't have any problem at all with riding a kid hard so that they will quit. If that doesn't work, then they just say that they can't renew the schollie, sorry. Then people on this board criticise that kid without knowing what is really going on. I'm not saying that has happened at Utah, obviously it hasn't because they were top players. But don't make blanket statements that are absolutely false. A majority of coaches wouldn't, I'm sure that's probably true. But there are a LOT that would because they want that ole schollie available. [quote author=cougvb board=general thread=1176517949 post=1177088734
I'm sure coaches make recruiting errors, but I can't recall a coach taking away a scholarship because they weren't the player they thought they would be. I'm sure it's happened, but can't recall hearing it ever happen on this board. If the player is willing to sit the bench for four years, I believe most coaches chalk it up to a bad recruiting move and eat that scholarship.[/i][/quote] you have done what you told cougvb not to do..... you have given no facts either - actually admitted to pulling them out of your "rearend". So unless that is a good source, you have made no point of fact. It seems the fact that the timing of their decesion was so damaging to Utah, little regard was given by these girls to the program that gave them their opportunity to come in and start as freshman. If they would have gone to an established power, whose to say they would have even had a chance to play yet.
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Post by roy on Apr 20, 2007 13:03:50 GMT -5
This actually happens more than you'd think. At my daughters school I've seen it happen and the coach used almost the exact words that you quoted Coaches aren't loyal- they are driven to win. But loyalty needs to start at the top with the coaches. This may happen but I wonder how significant it happens at higher level programs. I can see it happening with a new coach coming in or those programs that are not near getting into the NCAA tournament. But the way I see it, a top 25 team and a consistent NCAA team can't afford to do that. What you don't need is players to feel that if they don't perform, that they will have their scholarship yanked. It doesnt bode well for a coach that does that, as these incidents will trickle down to the ears of other potential recruits.
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Post by blob on Apr 20, 2007 13:28:52 GMT -5
My post was in response to people ripping kids for not being loyal.
I'm pretty close to coaches at high level programs, and players are basically cut loose all the time. So it just bothers me that people come on here and rip players for transfering when coaches show disloyalty to their players all the time. And I am not talking specifically about the Utah coach, who I know nothing about, and is probably a fine person who unfortunately had two players that wanted to transfer for whatever reasons.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 20, 2007 13:55:56 GMT -5
Wow. This is a long thread. I may have only read one or two posts in it. At the risk of sounding obnoxious, could I get a summary please? Legitimate request.
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Post by saywho on Apr 20, 2007 13:58:46 GMT -5
Wow. This is a long thread. I may have only read one or two posts in it. At the risk of sounding obnoxious, could I get a summary please? Legitimate request. Ill summarize for you wolfie! There's a difference in opinions about Salvo and Andersen transferring. One group thinks they should be stripped of their clothing and nailed to the cross. The others don't think its as big of a deal. The people who don't think its as big of a deal are deemed to be nailed to a cross too. That's all.
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Post by blob on Apr 20, 2007 14:04:01 GMT -5
SUMMARY: DEAR VOLLEYDORKS- QUIT RIPPING KIDS THAT TRANSFER, AND REMEMBER TO MIX IN A LITTLE JOG IN BETWEEN YOUR THOUSANDS OF VOLLEYBALL OBSESSED POSTS.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 20, 2007 14:11:27 GMT -5
What has happened to the format of this thread?
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Post by Revbang on Apr 20, 2007 14:22:25 GMT -5
It has moved way to the right, so to speak.
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