Keep stacking them up!

[Husker_fan_in_VA]

ladeda said:

Congrats to Olive Oyl.

Classy! That is all I have to say.

[Not Me]

You are correct that it is much tougher to get into Stanford for the average student but I have never heard of any athlete who didn't get in because of grades.

Doesn't this also have to do with the fact that the Stanford coaches know what to look for in a recruit academically? They know what grades & test scores they need the recruits to achieve.

So if a kid is well below the standards, they aren't interested in the the player. If the kid is borderline, they are in contact with the kid early enough to give advice on how to bring up the grades & test scores.

BTW, have you heard of players who wanted to go to Nebraska, but couldn't get in academically?

[bigfan]

Congrats to Sarah........The Sullivan award is next!

[AntennaMagnet]

Firstly, Stanford is much more academically selective than Nebraska. Nebraska takes students with total combined SAT scores of 950 whereas Stanford admits 75% of its students with 700 to 800 range Math scores and 90% of their students have verbal scores over 650. Secondly, there is an unfortunate trend with some academically talented high school athletes to "dumb down" their selection in colleges so they can have an easier time obtaining good grades while pursuing a full time job called volleyball.

[azvb]

huskervbfan said:

You are correct that it is much tougher to get into Stanford for the average student but I have never heard of any athlete who didn't get in because of grades. It may have happened but I haven't heard of it so if you have, please share the list of all of those who couldn't make it because of grades.

I was at a Junior Tourney a few years ago and I asked Denise Corlett if a great athlete could get into Stanford with so-so grades. She told me no, and then cited her niece, Sydney Donahue as an example. Sydney was a junior in high school at the time and Denise thought she would make a great libero, but even she, her aunt, and Stanford asst coach couldn't get her in to Stanford. Sydney will probably be the best libero in the PAC 10 this season, broke the career dig record (which I believe had stood for at least 10 years) at ASU as a junior last year.

[Keystonekid]

Stanford as an institution has much higher standards and far greater reputation than Nebraska. And no doubt, the general student body at Stanford is more gifted academically. The point I am making is that the volleyball athletes are not a total reflection of that standard. I take nothing away from those student athletes, who I am sure are exceptionally bright and motivated students. My point is that if they would go through the admissions process blind ( no special treatment, no support) would they be admitted to Stanford? Some maybe, most not. So you cannot say, because they are at Stanford they are brighter than those at Hawaii, Minnesota, Nebraska etc.... As a former college coach who recruited top volleyball players I have seen the actual transcripts of kids who, although were very strong students, did not meet the admission standards at Stanford, yet were admitted. Granted none were 2.5 gpa's with 1050 SAT's, but your comparing the general student bodies academic success against Nebraska's when the student athletes in most cases are not a true reflection of the standard admitted. In all fairness.

[plm]

antennamagnet said:

Firstly, Stanford is much more academically selective than Nebraska. Nebraska takes students with total combined SAT scores of 950 whereas Stanford admits 75% of its students with 700 to 800 range Math scores and 90% of their students have verbal scores over 650. Secondly, there is an unfortunate trend with some academically talented high school athletes to "dumb down" their selection in colleges so they can have an easier time obtaining good grades while pursuing a full time job called volleyball.

Yeah, NU just recruits a bunch of dummies. From last year's team Kori Cooper was a member of the National Honor Society and was awarded the Ace Achievement Award, recognizing the highest GPA on the Amarillo High School Volleyball team, Gates earned academic all-state honors in three sports, as she ranked 11th in her graduating class of 250, Houghtelling carried a perfect 4.0 GPA throughout her high school career, Larson was also a member of the honor roll at LVHS, Pavan named to the honor roll all four years, as she boasted a 93 percent grade average, Schwartz carried a 3.30 GPA, Stalls graduated from Lakewood as class valedictorian, Holloway selected as the 2004 Gatorade Player of the Year, as well as the Sportswoman of the Year in the state for her athletic and academic accomplishments, Busboom graduated from high school with a 3.98 grade-point average, Mancuso was a four-year member of the dean’s list and a three-time Nebraska Class B academic all-state selection & Brooke Bartek named to the honor roll every semester at Lincoln Northeast and graduated in the top five percent of her class.

All of this info can be found on the NU website as well as their collegiate academic awards. Griffith from last year's team had no high school info available but I believe Griffith is majoring in finance which of course is no easy major.

[StanfordFan]

I don't think he was calling out NE specifically, so you need to calm down. I think it's been well established that the NE players try to keep their grades up and have received many academic honors.

Responding to Keystonekid's comment, you can't draw direct comparisons between the volleyball team and the student body as a whole, but you also have to assume that if Stanford lowers standards somewhat for athletes, other schools lower their standards as well to recruit players. You can't compare Stanford at its lowest against other schools at their highest.

plm said:

antennamagnet said:

Firstly, Stanford is much more academically selective than Nebraska. Nebraska takes students with total combined SAT scores of 950 whereas Stanford admits 75% of its students with 700 to 800 range Math scores and 90% of their students have verbal scores over 650. Secondly, there is an unfortunate trend with some academically talented high school athletes to "dumb down" their selection in colleges so they can have an easier time obtaining good grades while pursuing a full time job called volleyball.

Yeah, NU just recruits a bunch of dummies. From last year's team Kori Cooper was a member of the National Honor Society and was awarded the Ace Achievement Award, recognizing the highest GPA on the Amarillo High School Volleyball team, Gates earned academic all-state honors in three sports, as she ranked 11th in her graduating class of 250, Houghtelling carried a perfect 4.0 GPA throughout her high school career, Larson was also a member of the honor roll at LVHS, Pavan named to the honor roll all four years, as she boasted a 93 percent grade average, Schwartz carried a 3.30 GPA, Stalls graduated from Lakewood as class valedictorian, Holloway selected as the 2004 Gatorade Player of the Year, as well as the Sportswoman of the Year in the state for her athletic and academic accomplishments, Busboom graduated from high school with a 3.98 grade-point average, Mancuso was a four-year member of the dean’s list and a three-time Nebraska Class B academic all-state selection & Brooke Bartek named to the honor roll every semester at Lincoln Northeast and graduated in the top five percent of her class.

All of this info can be found on the NU website as well as their collegiate academic awards. Griffith from last year's team had no high school info available but I believe Griffith is majoring in finance which of course is no easy major.

[Phaedrus]

antennamagnet said:

Firstly, Stanford is much more academically selective than Nebraska. Nebraska takes students with total combined SAT scores of 950 whereas Stanford admits 75% of its students with 700 to 800 range Math scores and 90% of their students have verbal scores over 650. Secondly, there is an unfortunate trend with some academically talented high school athletes to "dumb down" their selection in colleges so they can have an easier time obtaining good grades while pursuing a full time job called volleyball.

Actually the test scores are just one dimension in a multidimensional criteria. Stanford more than any of the other schools, do a much more thorough job in admitting unique and well rounded people to the school. Athletic ability is considered as is musical ability, leadership ability, community involvement etc. Most schools use those criteria for admissions, but Stanford consistently practices what they preach. A person with one dimensional abilities rarely gets in Stanford.

As for the second point, I haven't seen too much of that. Four years is a long time in the lives of an 18 year old. I know kids who have gone to a Big 12 school and then leave after a year to go someplace where academics is much more rigorous. I think they may make that decision early on but they will end up where they belong.

[AntennaMagnet]

All excellent points. The Nebraska players are no doubt smart gals, whether they are Stanford material is another question. In my business, if given two applicants, one from Nebraska and one from Stanford, the applicant from Stanford would be more seriously weighted than the applicant from Nebraska. In fact, students from academically elite colleges will always have an advantage in graduate school and job admissions relative to students from less academically selective schools. Having a national championship ring I think has very little impact on expanding career opportunities, unless the collegiate sports accomplishment segues to professional sports.

[holidayhusker]

antennamagnet said:

All excellent points. The Nebraska players are no doubt smart gals, whether they are Stanford material is another question. In my business, if given two applicants, one from Nebraska and one from Stanford, the applicant from Stanford would be more seriously weighted than the applicant from Nebraska. In fact, students from academically elite colleges will always have an advantage in graduate school and job admissions relative to students from less academically selective schools. Having a national championship ring I think has very little impact on expanding career opportunities, unless the collegiate sports accomplishment segues to professional sports.

Could you be any more pompous? " Stanford material is another question?" Are you serious? Stanford could only be so lucky to have a Pavan or Houghtelling. We have been down this road before Antenna. Yes....we know that you believe no other college in the United States is comparable to Stanford. A great coach told me once ," If you are good, you don't have to brag about it."

[bigfan]

holidayhusker said:

Could you be any more pompous? " Stanford material is another question?" Are you serious?

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=473633&in_page_id=1879

Watch out for Stanford women!!!!!!!

[Phaedrus]

antennamagnet said:

All excellent points. The Nebraska players are no doubt smart gals, whether they are Stanford material is another question. In my business, if given two applicants, one from Nebraska and one from Stanford, the applicant from Stanford would be more seriously weighted than the applicant from Nebraska. In fact, students from academically elite colleges will always have an advantage in graduate school and job admissions relative to students from less academically selective schools. Having a national championship ring I think has very little impact on expanding career opportunities, unless the collegiate sports accomplishment segues to professional sports.

Um, that is a pretty irresponsible statement. Although the reality is a lot of people think like you. I want to hire the person best suited for the job I want them to do. The Stanford degree gives them a nice head up on the other schools but it speaks nothing to what kind of career they end up having. At a senior level, people look at the undergrad degree and say:"nice degree", and they move on to their work history. By hiring people just because of their undergrad institutions is as stupid as saying that we shouldn't play the season because Nebraska is the overwhelming favorite lets give the title to them.

[plm]

antennamagnet said:

All excellent points. The Nebraska players are no doubt smart gals, whether they are Stanford material is another question. In my business, if given two applicants, one from Nebraska and one from Stanford, the applicant from Stanford would be more seriously weighted than the applicant from Nebraska. In fact, students from academically elite colleges will always have an advantage in graduate school and job admissions relative to students from less academically selective schools. Having a national championship ring I think has very little impact on expanding career opportunities, unless the collegiate sports accomplishment segues to professional sports.

Hmm, I always thought that there were a lot of things to consider in a job application besides just a college degree. Just because a candidate for a job has a Stanford degree doesn't necessary mean that they have all of what it takes to fill the job.

[Keystonekid]

I don't think anyone is ripping on Nebraska student athletes, I also want to reiterate that I take nothing away from Stanford student athletes, who I know are, bright, motivated, and strong students. My point is that many if not most may not have been Stanford material themselves, and the fact that they are Stanford students doesn't necessarily mean they are better students. I believe that Nebraska has had more academic all-americans than the next closest three combined, or very close to it. Where they do have many great students, the reason they are so decorated, is the extraodinary effort their academic services puts in to nominating, marketing and pushing for them to be recognized. This is the same reason the program is so popular, they athletic dept is making it a priority to get behind the team and players. I guarantee you that there are at least as many Stanford gals deserved of that level of recognition, I will also guarantee the dept is not doing anything close to Nebraska's to see them recognized.