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Post by aaronic on Aug 23, 2007 2:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by shai87 on Aug 23, 2007 2:13:44 GMT -5
well i won't disagree with her on this one.
i think NMSU is the most difficult place to play outta every
WAC school, and yeah hawaii does cheer for everyone, but for us hawaii fans we don't like to see our team treated wrong. so even if we cheer for everyone it doesn't mean we'll be nice if their fans treated our team wrong. i think thats how all WAC teams feel. other than NMSU of course.
no offense but fans should just cheer for their team. the other team is human too, they got feelings, maybe fans there should realize that.
but no worries we got them this year, hawaii is fully loaded. makes me wonder about that travel roster.
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Post by luke96792 on Aug 23, 2007 4:28:40 GMT -5
Actually I would agree with Colleen only too a certain point. I mean NMSU's crowd is rowdy no doubt about it......but I also believe Hawaii's crowd doesn't get too rowdy because.....well.....they litterally cream all the teams in the WAC that enter the SSC. So why would Hawaii fans get all nuts when most of the games goes 1-2-3 Aloha. The competition isn't really there for Hawaii fans to be up and about for it and it happens everytime with WAC teams. But.......if it were a USC,UCLA,Stanford, or Texas for example....then Hawaii fans come alive. and get rowdy.
I mean.....its really nothing to be rowdy about to be honest. The competition by NMSU is making it fun though
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Post by skyhigh on Aug 23, 2007 9:08:50 GMT -5
Hey, what about the crowds in Reno? I heard that they are very rowdy especially when Hawaii is in town?
In the Big West, I have to say Long Beach State. I'm sure Hawaii fans remember that when they were part of the Big West Conference about a decade ago or so....
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Post by ladeda on Aug 23, 2007 10:41:42 GMT -5
Moderator Note: This dead horse has been beaten. Do not continue to repeat the expletives used or you will be found in violation of board policy.
New Mexico State is not the only school where this type of behavior occurs.
Original Message minus explitives:
New Mexico State fans are just plain ignorant and stupid. For years they have been failures at everything they do so they resort to bully tactics.After last year many wrote to Dr. Boston their AD and his reply was that is the culture at NMS. WHAT ? the culture is spiting on visiting teams and calling visiting girls {names}? Yes folks the AD , Mike Jordan all condone this type of behavior all though Jordan will deny he knows anything about it.
A payback ?
This year Jordan publicly stated that he's baffled as to why all of a sudden he can't get teams to come to Las Cruces, this year he only has 4 home preseason matches on the schedule all cupcakes. Gee do you think someone is spreading the word ? Someone is working behind the scenes using there contacts and influence to keep teams from going to Las Cruces .
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 23, 2007 10:55:52 GMT -5
LOL!
In general, sports fans are ignorant and stupid because the bulk of them are young and MALE and in groups. You can't put two males together without deducting 20 IQ points between them.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 23, 2007 12:16:01 GMT -5
Hey, what about the crowds in Reno? I heard that they are very rowdy especially when Hawaii is in town? In the Big West, I have to say Long Beach State. I'm sure Hawaii fans remember that when they were part of the Big West Conference about a decade ago or so.... The WAC is a fun conference... there are some rivalries that just plain rock, including Nevada, Idaho, Boise State against each other; Nevada and all the top dogs (cuz nevada really does try to be at the top). Nevada hosting Hawaii was always awesome... it was a shame that the WAC tourney in Reno was always during thanksgiving break... imagine the attendance if it were the week earlier!! Let's face it ladeda, if it isn't New Mexico State, then it has been San Jose State, Nebraska (yes, sorry, a few curse words eek out even in the Coliseum), Washington State got Kim pretty riled in 2001 NCAA's -- but she responded by denting the floor and the hecklers will to continue comments in fear she hit the ball at them. UCSB, LBSU, and even Pacific have had raucous crowds... it is part of the game. It is called home-court advantage. And don't tell me it doesn't happen in the SSC... I've been to plenty of matches (and basketball games, good god, not only do they heckle like sailors, the fans show they pretty-much don't have a clue about the game of basketball) there, too. New Mexico State isn't getting teams because teams are afraid to lose, not because of cursing. Travel would stop across the nation if cursing was stopping any teams from playing anyone. Mike Jordan should be complimented that teams are refusing to play them at home. The challenge should be turned away from him and towards the big name schools that refuse to travel there... bwawk bwawk bwawk. |
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Post by ladeda on Aug 23, 2007 12:42:37 GMT -5
And if it involved you know who would you have a different opinion?I think not my friend,we all know how loud and protective you would have been. You seem to have changed since you moved.BTW congrats on the upcoming event.
Kudos to Colleen for speaking up and kudos to the other five WAC players who have publicly said something in the press over the last two years and Kudos to the mother of an Idaho player who wrote a blistering letter in an Idaho paper on her treatment in Las Cruces when she made a road trip.Kudos to the WAC basketball coaches who went public last year and voiced their concerns over the treatment of all WAC players in Las Cruces.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 23, 2007 13:21:01 GMT -5
And if it involved you know who would you have a different opinion?I think not my friend,we all know how loud and protective you would have been. You seem to have changed since you moved.BTW congrats on the upcoming event. "You know who" is who reminded me that it happens everywhere. I wouldn't like it, no, but I wouldn't deal with it with negativity especially when I haven't been perfect on this forum or in "real life." Championship-caliber teams do not let those types of remarks decide the outcome of a match or use those comments as excuses. If you're a player that is getting picked on and called these derogative names, I would suggest to take them with a compliment, because you're the one that is being picked on because you're doing well. Is it inappropriate? Yeah. Are you going to be able to stop it with any number of posts or letter writing campaigns? Probably not. In fact, it will just fuel them, as they are probably pretty proud that they are getting some sort of recognition. Please cite that article from the Idaho paper. |
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Post by tomasvzqz on Aug 23, 2007 13:51:19 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. When NMSU, before the Mike Jordan era, was not a very competitive team, all the visiting teams would come and play regardless of the hackling fans? Now that they are competitive, teams don't want to play there because of the hackling fans? Get real. Teams don't want to play there because they dont' want to loose.
Hawaii fans are not as sweet as they portray themselves. At the WAC tournament a couple of years ago in Reno, I saw first hand the Hawaii fans getting on people's faces who were cheering for opposing teams. I even saw some of them throwing those palm things they like to carry in games at other people.
Hawaii always finds something to complain about when their team has some competition. In the Big West they were always complaining about LBSU and UCSB. In the 90's Hawaii and NMSU were both in the Big West and there were never any complaints because NMSU was not very competitive. Now all of a sudden, let's blame the fans....yeah right.
Have you all ever been to a basketball game? The fans are what make the arena environment appealing. The NCAA is very aggressive in their policing of arenas. If they find something wrong they will take care of it. They have done it before....
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Post by roy on Aug 23, 2007 14:26:20 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. When NMSU, before the Mike Jordan era, was not a very competitive team, all the visiting teams would come and play regardless of the hackling fans? Now that they are competitive, teams don't want to play there because of the hackling fans? Get real. Teams don't want to play there because they dont' want to loose. Hawaii fans are not as sweet as they portray themselves. At the WAC tournament a couple of years ago in Reno, I saw first hand the Hawaii fans getting on people's faces who were cheering for opposing teams. I even saw some of them throwing those palm things they like to carry in games at other people. Hawaii always finds something to complain about when their team has some competition. In the Big West they were always complaining about LBSU and UCSB. In the 90's Hawaii and NMSU were both in the Big West and there were never any complaints because NMSU was not very competitive. Now all of a sudden, let's blame the fans....yeah right. Have you all ever been to a basketball game? The fans are what make the arena environment appealing. The NCAA is very aggressive in their policing of arenas. If they find something wrong they will take care of it. They have done it before.... I will agree that Hawaii is not completely innocent of heckling. However, from what I have heard from WAC fans and coaches, NMSU takes it to a different extreme. That being said, it is only a handful of people that are giving NMSU a bad rep and from what I understand, they are other student athletes who think volleyball is a sport that tolerates heckling equal to sports such as football or basketball. I applaud those like mbrooks who have taken a stand to try to get this behavior to stop. Unfortunately, NMSU is developing a bad reputation and it may take a couple of years to subside (or if they put on a great WAC tournament and can keep those fans under control, it could also help). But keep in mind that pre-Jordan, there were not a lot of fans in the stand, so it wasn’t a problem. NMSU has just recently developed its strong fan base, so there is going to be a learning curve for those fans. In addition, NMSU has not hosted a true top team outside of Hawaii for years. Their on line schedule goes back to 2003 and not a single top team has played there aside from Hawaii (and possibly a decent teams like Texas Tech who can have a good year and then a bad year). So, some of the fans may go a bit overboard when better competition or teams from the WAC come in to play. Personally, I would love to see some of the NMSU fans come down to other venues like Nevada or Hawaii and they can see how opposing fans react. Again, no program is completely innocent as you will always have hecklers in the stands, but at least it gives them some insight on why they are developing that reputation. This year would be a great year for their fans to go to Nebraska, they can see how the Huskers react to teams. The Huskers can create an atmosphere that makes it difficult to play in, but the fans are still very respectful to the opposing team. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 23, 2007 14:27:09 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. When NMSU, before the Mike Jordan era, was not a very competitive team, all the visiting teams would come and play regardless of the hackling fans? Now that they are competitive, teams don't want to play there because of the hackling fans? Get real. Teams don't want to play there because they dont' want to loose. Hawaii fans are not as sweet as they portray themselves. At the WAC tournament a couple of years ago in Reno, I saw first hand the Hawaii fans getting on people's faces who were cheering for opposing teams. I even saw some of them throwing those palm things they like to carry in games at other people. Hawaii always finds something to complain about when their team has some competition. In the Big West they were always complaining about LBSU and UCSB. In the 90's Hawaii and NMSU were both in the Big West and there were never any complaints because NMSU was not very competitive. Now all of a sudden, let's blame the fans....yeah right. Have you all ever been to a basketball game? The fans are what make the arena environment appealing. The NCAA is very aggressive in their policing of arenas. If they find something wrong they will take care of it. They have done it before.... I don't think Hawaii fans portray themselves as sweet. The good majority of the "sweet" Hawaii fans don't visit VT. While there are very good Hawaii fans on the board, there are some of us who don't feel the need to blow sunshine around the room. |
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Post by pineapple on Aug 23, 2007 14:59:50 GMT -5
Bik got there before me. I just was going to say "of course not! Just check this board- in the former group, Roy, pineapple, aaron and ahem, Bik. The latter- ahem Bik, aaron... ;D
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Post by 3wood on Aug 23, 2007 21:58:01 GMT -5
Las Cruces, isn't that the place where the yell a$$hole when the opponent is shooting free throws.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 24, 2007 1:07:11 GMT -5
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