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Mizzou
Sept 27, 2007 12:57:46 GMT -5
Post by ou812 on Sept 27, 2007 12:57:46 GMT -5
Missouri is really struggling this season. Of course if you lose your best offensive player it will hurt. But I really feel it's "what comes around goes around." Two years ago when they prevented a player from transferring to another school was wrong, considering they gladly accepted a transfer from Nebraska! double standard?
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Mizzou
Sept 27, 2007 13:09:07 GMT -5
Post by BearClause on Sept 27, 2007 13:09:07 GMT -5
Yes.
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Mizzou
Sept 27, 2007 13:12:47 GMT -5
Post by Wolfgang on Sept 27, 2007 13:12:47 GMT -5
I thought the phrase was "what goes around comes around". My mother has another saying: if you spit into the wind, it comes flying back in your face. Not as poetic as "what goes around comes around". Actually, I forgot the context in which she said that to me. I think I was in the backseat of our car and spit out the window as we were traveling down the road. Of course, this was when I was 7 or 8, not this past week.
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Mizzou
Sept 27, 2007 14:23:35 GMT -5
Post by vbfanatic on Sept 27, 2007 14:23:35 GMT -5
Missouri and Colorado in the Big 12 are going through what K-State did in 2006. KSU lost Liliom to an ACL in the pre-season and went 4-16 in the Big 12 in 2006 and lost something like 6 five game matches. Over the summer Colorado decided to redshirt Sutherland (Shoulder) and Klein for Missouri went out just before conference started with an ACL. The Big 12 is tough enough at full strength but to lose their best outsides is really tough.
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Mizzou
Sept 27, 2007 16:09:53 GMT -5
Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Sept 27, 2007 16:09:53 GMT -5
I thought the phrase was "what goes around comes around". My mother has another saying: if you spit into the wind, it comes flying back in your face. Not as poetic as "what goes around comes around". Actually, I forgot the context in which she said that to me. I think I was in the backseat of our car and spit out the window as we were traveling down the road. Of course, this was when I was 7 or 8, not this past week. Plus, Justin Timberlake never did a song about spitting in the wind...that I know of.
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Mizzou
Sept 27, 2007 19:58:50 GMT -5
Post by inpraesenti on Sept 27, 2007 19:58:50 GMT -5
Hey folks....get over it. As Paul Harvey says, "And now...the rest of the story." But you'll never hear it. It's been two years since the Noll/Missouri circus. Yes...the Nolls shared their side of the story but Missouri was silent. Why do you suppose that was? But, to insinuate that Julianna Klein's injury was Mizzou's just desserts for being sore about Lindsay Noll's jumping ship at the last minute is ludicrous. A young lady is injured and it was because of a perceived sin by Missouri 2 years ago? Klein will be back next year. And Mizzou should be locked, loaded and ready to head back towards the top of the Big 12.
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Mizzou
Sept 27, 2007 21:42:07 GMT -5
Post by ADIDAVB on Sept 27, 2007 21:42:07 GMT -5
Yeah i don't think this season really has anything to do with the Noll situation at all, more to do with talent and recruiting. Next year will prob be a struggle as well. They will still be depending on some young players and their only offensive threat will be Klein, hopefully she is full strength........they must know something no one esle knows having all these DS's, is the NCAA going to chnage the scoring format to start allowing points for digs? ?? you have a team that finish top 20 then top 10 and all the got was Klien following the momentum of those two years!!!!! Its not a good sign when the only player you can count on to show up every night is your libero, and your setter is your best hitter right now........loooooooooong season.....maybe next year too
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Mizzou
Sept 28, 2007 8:13:47 GMT -5
Post by ADIDAVB on Sept 28, 2007 8:13:47 GMT -5
I think Mizzou not making any comments about the Noll transfer was professional, I don't think it would have been right for them to trash in the media....due to the fact that it happen i don't think Mizzou thought it was handled well on Noll's part, from first hand knowledge it wasn't, so mizzou took the high road and lived by the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"..............i don't think the transfer rules they put on her were a punishment, school routinely put stipulations on transfers like that.......I don't think them accepting transfers from any school is all that much of a double standard, after all the schools are releasing the players to any school and the athlete picks mizzou...what is MU supposed to do, say "no we won't accept you because we wouldn't let one of our players transfer to NU, Stanford, etc?" Mizzou is an up and coming program, look at it from this point of view, MU recruits borderline big time recruit that other top programs are unsure of and the recruit knows that, so she goes to a program like a MU (up and comer, trying to establish itself) gets a year of big time VBall under her belt and proves she can play at this level, then decides to transfer to a top notch program because now they do believe in her abilities. Programs like a MU can't be letting that happen, so they have to make it known that if you come here and leave, you prob won't be able to go somewhere that's a top program, most might look at it from that standpoint and agree, some may still think its wrong, and which ever is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but MU isn't the only program out there doing it.....look at the recent transfer at Notre Dame football, Notre dame wasn't even going to release him from his scholarship because of the way he did it then only agreed to release him to certain schools.....could be the same thing here, although i really don't think Noll would ever come back to hurt them where ever she went, they were a better team without her, instead of trying to keep 3 middles happy (which Noll blew more then her fair share of chances), the two best middles (Wilson & Boyd) got the playing time and look Elite 8 finish!!!!
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Mizzou
Sept 28, 2007 10:26:11 GMT -5
Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Sept 28, 2007 10:26:11 GMT -5
I think Mizzou not making any comments about the Noll transfer was professional, I don't think it would have been right for them to trash in the media....due to the fact that it happen i don't think Mizzou thought it was handled well on Noll's part, from first hand knowledge it wasn't, so mizzou took the high road and lived by the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"..............i don't think the transfer rules they put on her were a punishment, school routinely put stipulations on transfers like that.......I don't think them accepting transfers from any school is all that much of a double standard, after all the schools are releasing the players to any school and the athlete picks mizzou...what is MU supposed to do, say "no we won't accept you because we wouldn't let one of our players transfer to NU, Stanford, etc?" Mizzou is an up and coming program, look at it from this point of view, MU recruits borderline big time recruit that other top programs are unsure of and the recruit knows that, so she goes to a program like a MU (up and comer, trying to establish itself) gets a year of big time VBall under her belt and proves she can play at this level, then decides to transfer to a top notch program because now they do believe in her abilities. Programs like a MU can't be letting that happen, so they have to make it known that if you come here and leave, you prob won't be able to go somewhere that's a top program, most might look at it from that standpoint and agree, some may still think its wrong, and which ever is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but MU isn't the only program out there doing it.....look at the recent transfer at Notre Dame football, Notre dame wasn't even going to release him from his scholarship because of the way he did it then only agreed to release him to certain schools.....could be the same thing here, although i really don't think Noll would ever come back to hurt them where ever she went, they were a better team without her, instead of trying to keep 3 middles happy (which Noll blew more then her fair share of chances), the two best middles (Wilson & Boyd) got the playing time and look Elite 8 finish!!!! Did Noll want to transfer to Stanford or Nebraska? Plus, Noll had played, what, 3 good years for Mizzou?
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Mizzou
Sept 28, 2007 12:26:37 GMT -5
Post by ADIDAVB on Sept 28, 2007 12:26:37 GMT -5
I was using that as a point that standards have to be set, and programs like a mizzou can't allow athletes use them a stepping stone to better programs, especially with the rather "soft" vball transfer rules, happens all the time in baseball until recently when they changed the transfer rules to be more like football & basketball, the same standards of transfers not only apply to Noll, but to other younger players that have wanted to transfer since then, so the point I didn't make, or make clear was they are holding the same standard for all, whether a freshman , or a player with one year left to play.............i don't think she wanted to go to Stanford or NU, but i know there were some pretty good programs on her initial list....if i remember correctly, Wisconsin might have been one, the terms set for her transfer were, no big 12 school or any school in the top 25 or that had made the tourney in the last 5 years at that point and time, there could have been more stipulations, but i know those were at least 3 of them
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Mizzou
Sept 28, 2007 12:44:37 GMT -5
Post by ou812 on Sept 28, 2007 12:44:37 GMT -5
I don't see Missouri as an "up and coming" program. They are a legit top 25 team every year. I would consider them an elite program. Based on the start of this season, they are struggling and probably have a tough time finishing in the top 6 of the Big 12. I really don't agree with how they handled the Noll situation, and I think some athletes have taken notice and will look at Missouri differently. If they are getting the "border line" elite player, then they shouldn't stipulate where they transfer. If they gladly accept a player from within the conference then why can they not release a player within the conference. Double standard in my book.
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Mizzou
Sept 28, 2007 12:48:34 GMT -5
Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Sept 28, 2007 12:48:34 GMT -5
I was using that as a point that standards have to be set, and programs like a mizzou can't allow athletes use them a stepping stone to better programs, especially with the rather "soft" vball transfer rules, happens all the time in baseball until recently when they changed the transfer rules to be more like football & basketball, the same standards of transfers not only apply to Noll, but to other younger players that have wanted to transfer since then, so the point I didn't make, or make clear was they are holding the same standard for all, whether a freshman , or a player with one year left to play.............i don't think she wanted to go to Stanford or NU, but i know there were some pretty good programs on her initial list....if i remember correctly, Wisconsin might have been one, the terms set for her transfer were, no big 12 school or any school in the top 25 or that had made the tourney in the last 5 years at that point and time, there could have been more stipulations, but i know those were at least 3 of them And I still say those are ridiculous stipulations, especially since she'd put in three years. She wasn't using Mizzou as a "stepping stone." Plus it's hypocritical, isn't it, to put such restrictions on transferring, but telling people leaving other schools "Sure! C'mon over!"
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Mizzou
Sept 28, 2007 13:02:53 GMT -5
Post by ADIDAVB on Sept 28, 2007 13:02:53 GMT -5
Yeah i hear yeah, but also, I'm not so sure Mizzou is really recruiting transfers, they got the Parks girl a while back, but that's about it i think, It more if a girl from another school, comes to you and says, hey i want to come to mizzou, would you turn her down based on the fact that if she had come to mizzou, you might not release her to the school she is now coming from???................and again, i don't know if mizzou is the only school doing it, I have heard of other schools putting some of those restrictions on players......i wasn't referring to Noll using Mizzou as a "stepping stone", I was using that analogy to support my opinion that younger girls could use a program like a mizzou as a stepping stone to bigger programs with the soft transfer rules of college vball, like is done in college baseball, and that at least they were using the same stipulations on all players no matter how much eligibility they have left
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Mizzou
Sept 28, 2007 14:40:48 GMT -5
Post by ou812 on Sept 28, 2007 14:40:48 GMT -5
I noticed on the Missouri roster that there are 2 players from the state of Missouri. Why don't they do better with in state athletes? Generally you find state universities with a large number of local talent. I question if they even support the local high school teams and club teams. There has to be talent in the state of Missouri that would fit their needs.
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Mizzou
Sept 28, 2007 14:56:05 GMT -5
Post by ADIDAVB on Sept 28, 2007 14:56:05 GMT -5
Really out side of St Louis & KC not a whole lot of talent actually, from witnessing the Nebraska team camp and Mizzou team camp, not a whole of talent in missouri at all, the few nebraska high schools that come down to play at the camp every now and then, they always dominate, little comp.......there are some good club teams in KC and st louis, but not sure if the have great players or if they are just solid teams, I don't really think there home state has a great recruiting base, hence the reason they recruit nebraska & Iowa hard, along with the foriegn players (which is another problem in itself). Really suprised they don't try and recruit Chicago harder, afterall its a Vball hotbed and in relativly close in distance, I think the lack of quality club programs in the state really hurts not only MU, but volleyball in the state as a whole
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