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Clarke
Mar 27, 2004 12:10:13 GMT -5
Post by Gorf on Mar 27, 2004 12:10:13 GMT -5
Only a "bit". Chauvinism, fanaticism, blind following. Toss in a bit of sleight of hand in throwing dramatic barbs to the media (that seem to like falling for the barbs - even when they often enough turned out to be blatant lies) to get the attention off of Bush and his cronies.
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Clarke
Mar 27, 2004 16:34:05 GMT -5
Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 27, 2004 16:34:05 GMT -5
Gorf, you digress. Address the message: Was the Bush White House pre-occupied with Saddam rather than al Qaeda? Was the invasion of Iraq a personal vendetta rather than having anything to do with the "War on Terror"? Has it not, in effect, made the World a much more dangerous place? All I want is the Truth. I couldn't care less about all this partisan bulls***. Tell me the goddamned Truth, GW! I honestly can't begin to figure out how all you Bush supporters can tolerate the fact he does not respect you. That he thinks we are all too dumb to figure out he cannot be honest to save his life. You don't want the truth (R)uffda, you can't handle the truth! How has the American invasion of Iraq made the world a more dangerous place? Poppycock! Iraq wasn't an immiment threat? Do you people work for the CIA? luckily we won't have to find out. I'm glad this American administration doesn't sit on it's ass waiting for an attack to happen. Spare me your liberal propaganda Gorf.
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Clarke
Mar 27, 2004 17:41:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2004 17:41:31 GMT -5
BiK, seriously. You think the invasion of Iraq has made the World safer? It hasn't even made Iraq safer.
Hell, they didn't even follow through in Afghanistan. THAT region is less stable, too.
Say what you want about Clarke and his motives, but he speaks the truth.
And all the Bushies can do is spit out yet more character assassinations.
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Clarke
Mar 27, 2004 17:59:26 GMT -5
Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 27, 2004 17:59:26 GMT -5
BiK, seriously. You think the invasion of Iraq has made the World safer? It hasn't even made Iraq safer. Hell, they didn't even follow through in Afghanistan. THAT region is less stable, too. Say what you want about Clarke and his motives, but he speaks the truth. And all the Bushies can do is spit out yet more character assassinations. I'll address your questions/comments in order 1) Yes. Who knows what the future would hold with Saddam still in power. The American presence in Iraq certainly hasn't made the world less safe. Please feel free to give examples of how the world is less safe now. How did the Bush administration not follow through in Afghanistan? Which regions of the country are unstable? 2) Another subjective statement my friend.
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Clarke
Mar 27, 2004 19:13:39 GMT -5
Post by itsallaboutme on Mar 27, 2004 19:13:39 GMT -5
I guess I'm jumping in on this kind of late but I do have couple of comments. I too am getting sick of the political BS that is coming from both parties. When someone asked the question, "I just want the Truth" BIK replies your cant handle the truth" Wow, great reply...not!!... I've heard this from other Republicans.."You can't handle the truth". What that means is they can't answer your question without proving Bush a liar. "You can handle the truth" is a the kind of reponse someone makes when they are on the losing side of a discussion. Do you really think someone can't handle the truth?? Truth & facts would be wonderfull but I don't expect either from the Dems or Reps. I'm sick of it.
Next,
The medicare scandal is very troublesome. If any of what has been reported is true the Bush admin better get the "truth" out & now. BIK, I promise you can handle truth on this.
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Clarke
Mar 27, 2004 19:24:16 GMT -5
Post by itsallaboutme on Mar 27, 2004 19:24:16 GMT -5
On Friday afternoon I went to a very cool mid-town coffee shop here in Omaha. Sitting at one of the tables was Bob Kerry. Bob is on the 9/11 commision & is asking the tough questions. Well, I've run in to Bob a lot over the years. He owns the health club that I work out at & I've met him at various events. Bob doesn't know me from Adam but I feel like I know him. Bob had his laptop open & was talking on a cell phone. As I past him I heard him say " I don't think it will be any problem getting that declassified."
Thus ended my brush with Bob.
PS. I once met Debra Winger when she was dating our then Governor Bob Kerry.
PS. He once took my towel when I was showering at the health club because he had forgotten his, he said he was sorry and returned with a new one for me. Ok, I can hear all the oohs & ahs now. Bob's not Gay but I am.
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Clarke
Mar 27, 2004 21:02:55 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2004 21:02:55 GMT -5
I'll address your questions/comments in order 1) Yes. Who knows what the future would hold with Saddam still in power. The American presence in Iraq certainly hasn't made the world less safe. Please feel free to give examples of how the world is less safe now. How did the Bush administration not follow through in Afghanistan? Which regions of the country are unstable? Let's see. Bombs in Spain, Turkey, Pakistan, the Phillipines, Russia, Afghanistan--not to mention Iraq. Al Qaeda active all over the World, including the very country we saw fit to invade, a country they had had absolutely no presence in previously. That's funny. Have they captured bin Laden? The Tailiban leadership? Is there a stable government in place? Which regions are unstable, you ask. Which regions are stable? Subjective? Bush was focused on al Qaeda before 9/11? Hell, you can argue he hasn't even given them the attention needed since 9/11. Subjective? The World is safer? How about you give me examples of why you think it's safer. I'll give you a subjective statement, one that I believe with all of my heart: George Bush has not been and will not ever be up to the job of President of the United States. There is way too much at stake to let someone as dishonest, incompetent, and insensitive, stay in office.
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Clarke
Mar 28, 2004 0:30:47 GMT -5
Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 28, 2004 0:30:47 GMT -5
Let's see. Bombs in Spain, Turkey, Pakistan, the Phillipines, Russia, Afghanistan--not to mention Iraq. Al Qaeda active all over the World, including the very country we saw fit to invade, a country they had had absolutely no presence in previously. That's funny. Have they captured bin Laden? The Tailiban leadership? Is there a stable government in place? Which regions are unstable, you ask. Which regions are stable? And all those attacks are a direct result of the American invasion of Iraq? Face it (R)uffda you are an appeaser. That very mentality is why I pray the Democrats never steal the White House. Bin Laden declared his intentions towards the west in 1998, long before Bush was even elected. You people naively seem to think that Terrorism will go away if we close our eyes and shut our mouths, How foolish! speaking of Al Qaida presence in Iraq, I guess you've never heard of ansar al islam? I'll be back later to finish.
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Clarke
Mar 28, 2004 10:28:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2004 10:28:45 GMT -5
And all those attacks are a direct result of the American invasion of Iraq? No. But a lot of them were. And that's only part of the point anyhow. Iraq made the situation worse for at least three reasons: 1) it divided the World when we really needed to come together; 2) it took attention and RESOURCES away from al Qaeda; AND 3) it exacerbated American hatred in the Arab world. Hearts and minds, Bik. Low blow, BiK. How does this make me an appeaser? I want to focus on the people who are actually BEHIND the terrorism. Steal the White House? What kind of a statement is that? There's only one person I know of being accused of that--and it's not a sentiment I necessarily buy into. Except that everything that went on in Florida was extremely shady. Bin Laden. Bush's actions were like shooting the dog for the fact the cat crapped in your bed. More pre-war fabrications LONG since proven to be false. There was no connection between Saddam and ansar al Islam, let alone with al Qaeda. Saddam Hussein, whatever else he is/was, was NOT a Muslim Fundamentalist Radical. Bin Laden hates him almost as much as he hates us. Please do. But I sincerely believe you are much too bright to be spouting this nonsense. And much too bright to be falling for the propaganda of this Administration. Fine. Tell me you think the Democrats would be worse. But don't expect me to believe you are not pissed off by the contempt these bastards have for our intelligence. They want us to believe black is white and up is down just because they tell us it is so.
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Clarke
Mar 28, 2004 14:23:19 GMT -5
Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 28, 2004 14:23:19 GMT -5
Well thanks for the compliments (R)uffda. I would've finished my thoughts last night but I had a dinner date with my girlfriend and I didn't want to keep her waiting. Did I mention how much it irritates her when I'm on here, using her computer, and arguing politics especially being that we have extremely different politcal views? You know how much I enjoy the banter, especially the political banter but it can be rather exhausting at times. I will try to address your comments in a more rational manner from now on. I'll get back to you later, the weather is beautiful in Hawai'i today and I'm going to the beach. It's so liberating being nice for a change. ;D
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Clarke
Mar 28, 2004 18:04:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2004 18:04:42 GMT -5
Uh-oh.
I'll be in my bunker for the next few days...
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Clarke
Mar 29, 2004 7:21:57 GMT -5
Post by itsallaboutme on Mar 29, 2004 7:21:57 GMT -5
Interesting that the White House has threatened to release previously classified documents & comments from Clarke inorder they say to show that he is not telling the truth. Clarke says he would welcome it.
The White House has the power to release what they want & don't want made public so it will be interesting to see what happens. My guess is they will release just a few documents to support their case and keep any documents that support Clarke's case classified. It's not right but they are in charge. I doubt there is anything so important that it can't be declassified.
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Clarke
Mar 29, 2004 17:21:56 GMT -5
Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 29, 2004 17:21:56 GMT -5
Don't take yourself too seriously. Despite what you think, It's not all about you. ;D
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Clarke
Mar 29, 2004 18:34:05 GMT -5
Post by Gorf on Mar 29, 2004 18:34:05 GMT -5
Yup, its all about the Bushy Leaguer Brigade and their evil doings!
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Clarke
Mar 29, 2004 20:31:07 GMT -5
Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 29, 2004 20:31:07 GMT -5
>-(Gorf)-<[} link=board=news&thread=1080363467&start=43#2 date=1080603245]Yup, its all about the Bushy Leaguer Brigade and their evil doings! Don't take yourself too seriously Gorf. Get over the conspiracy theories and embrace sanity.
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