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Post by beenthere on May 2, 2008 0:18:07 GMT -5
Very boring announcers, I'm sorry Karch but a little more energy would help. Very mundane play by play but kudos to the camermen, I thought they did a great job, bring back Marlowe and Dodd, at least they kept me interested.
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Post by ucsdfan on May 2, 2008 0:37:03 GMT -5
Anyone get switched over to a bunch of guys named Swen carrying barrels in the name of sport right after the PSU-OSU game? They sacred me for a minute there before switching to the second match. With so much dang pokers and useless crap like the Sven rock juggling championships, why can't they play a few more college games? I find it hard to believe that the viewer differences could be so much better for fridge throwing than volleyball, especially during an Olympic year. I so hope the US team wins the gold and starts a volleyball frenzy that catches the TV folks short attention span!
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Post by Mac on May 2, 2008 0:58:24 GMT -5
Coverage started during player intros. Both teams look like they're ready to play, trading points evenly. Men's Volleyball has to be the ONLY men's NCAA sport that has a WOMAN calling play by play for the championships. What's up with that? It just promotes the perception that volleyball is a women's game that a few guys happen to play. I said the same thing in '06 when there were two women and no men! |
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Post by volleyballer4life on May 2, 2008 8:30:12 GMT -5
Very boring announcers, I'm sorry Karch but a little more energy would help. Very mundane play by play but kudos to the camermen, I thought they did a great job, bring back Marlowe and Dodd, at least they kept me interested. I agree, sometimes I feel like Karch is trying to keep it too simple, as if going into more detail will make it so that viewers can't follow what he's saying. You're the greatest player in the history of the sport, paint us a picture through the eyes of a world-class player! |
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Post by buckybadger on May 2, 2008 9:08:55 GMT -5
Karch sure beats Heather Cox. I agree it would be nice a have a male doing the play by play. The lady doing the play by play (Beth) did a few ESPN games in the NCAA women's basketball tournament and also calls softball games for ESPN. It would also be nice if ESPN would stay with volleyball between matches and do a post game show with interviews etc. rather than break away for 30 minutes for another program totally unrelated to volleyball.
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Post by denverparkinguy on May 2, 2008 9:33:15 GMT -5
Anyone get switched over to a bunch of guys named Swen carrying barrels in the name of sport right after the PSU-OSU game? They sacred me for a minute there before switching to the second match. With so much dang pokers and useless crap like the Sven rock juggling championships, why can't they play a few more college games? I find it hard to believe that the viewer differences could be so much better for fridge throwing than volleyball, especially during an Olympic year. I so hope the US team wins the gold and starts a volleyball frenzy that catches the TV folks short attention span! They had the World's Strongest Man competition to fill in the 30 minute break between matches. I think the NCAA requires a 30 minute minimum between matches but don't quote me on that. It was on the schedule for the 1/2 hour gap between matches. Did Chris Marlowe have a falling out with ESPN? He was better than Beth Mullins. She is one that ESPN uses for a variety of events and I have yet to be impressed. She constantly calls the point for the wrong team and really doesn't know much about the sport. She repeated the same information about 10 times during the match regarding Carrol and Pepperdine's record w/o and w/ him back. She isn't terrible, but I did like Marlowe better, especially since he came from a volleyball background. I think he and Karch do a decent job together on the AVP tour, too bad they aren't doing the FF. Dodd did a good job too when they used him. Also, I don't miss Heather Cox despite her volleyball background. Leave her to the NBA. Anyone have a dilemma last night wanting to DVR "the Office," their spouse wanting to DVR "Grey's Anatomy" and wanting to watch the PSU-OSU match all at the same time? Wikipedia says Marlowe is the voice of the Denver Nuggets on Vs. and Altitude. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Marlowe |
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Post by prouddad on May 2, 2008 9:45:32 GMT -5
Chris Marlowe is the lead radio play-by-play announcer for the Denver Nuggets. If the Nuggets hadn't been swept by the Lakers he still could be working. Paul Sunderland would be a more logical choice. But, let's face the truth, volleyball doesn't garner great ratings so I'm sure not a lot of thought or care goes into selecting the announcers.
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Post by cougvb on May 2, 2008 10:18:10 GMT -5
] Anyone have a dilemma last night wanting to DVR "the Office," their spouse wanting to DVR "Grey's Anatomy" and wanting to watch the PSU-OSU match all at the same time? You need to buy another TV, my friend. We have 3 TV's-one was recording Office/30 Rock/Grey's Anatomy, one was tuned to Vball, one was tuned to NBA playoffs. I think my family needs to get out more. |
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Post by denverparkinguy on May 2, 2008 10:37:01 GMT -5
] Anyone have a dilemma last night wanting to DVR "the Office," their spouse wanting to DVR "Grey's Anatomy" and wanting to watch the PSU-OSU match all at the same time? You need to buy another TV, my friend. We have 3 TV's-one was recording Office/30 Rock/Grey's Anatomy, one was tuned to Vball, one was tuned to NBA playoffs. I think my family needs to get out more. That's pretty dedicated for a person whose team wasn't even in it. I just had to sacrifice game 3 of the first match. |
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Post by Roofan on May 2, 2008 11:45:35 GMT -5
Anyone get switched over to a bunch of guys named Swen carrying barrels in the name of sport right after the PSU-OSU game? They sacred me for a minute there before switching to the second match. With so much dang pokers and useless crap like the Sven rock juggling championships, why can't they play a few more college games? I find it hard to believe that the viewer differences could be so much better for fridge throwing than volleyball, especially during an Olympic year. I so hope the US team wins the gold and starts a volleyball frenzy that catches the TV folks short attention span! Hey all Haven't posted here in...I think forever! Anyway...just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on this here. I love Volleyball like everyone who posts here, but I am also a realist. Men's Volleyball, like it or not, is so low on the ESPN Totem pole it's not even funny. You mention "so much dang pokers" and "useless crap like the Sven rock juggling championships". Do u have ANY idea how much more popular USA AND WORLD WIDE both of those are to Men's Volleyball? I have become a semi-pro poker player myself in the last 4 years, (which is a major reason I don't post here much....I am too busy playing poker or posting at poker forums!!!) and I think the numbers would shock u as to how big poker is currently. Example... This is "likely" one of the biggest forums for Men's Volleyball. According to the stats of this site...there are a total 4.6k members of this site...and I am sure ALL 4.6k are Men's Vball fans and the 4.6k has NOTHING to do w/ the Women's side of this board...  I post at a poker site called Full Contact Poker. That site is NOT one of the biggest forums in the poker world, but we have almost 28k members there. The most popular forum is a place called 2+2 and they have over 120k members. I am NOT a World's Strongest Man Fan...but I DID do a qucik google search for forums regarding World's Strongest Man. Here's what i found... A site called Extreme Athletes that seemed to deal w/ almost exclusively Strongman stuff and they have 7k members. There was another Ironman Mag Forum that was likely more Body Builder type than anything...36k members. So...what I am saying to my friends here at Volleytalk...BE HAPPY THEY EVEN SHOWED IT...AND THEY SHOWED IT LIVE FOR ONCE!!! I realize that it's Cali and traffic and such make for a late arriving crowd. But when 3/4 of the stands are EMPTY for the 1st Semi-Final...can u see why ESPN doesn't spend much energy on the Men's Game? Now...as for the announcing. OBV it is always gonna be subpar as far as the lead person goes. That's because ESPN has a person like Beth doing 10 different sports. They don't care if Joe Hardcore Fan knows more than Beth. They just want her to sound professional and she does a great job of that. (By professional I am strictly speaking of HOW she calls a game...NOT what she says) That being said...I personally loved her mentioning my boy Rooney 237458362394 times in the broadcast!!! Karch...while dry was providing some info to the masses that HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGH TO TV BEFORE!!! Example 1...Karch referances "the pin" when talking about the antena and then went on to explain what the pin is. Now...maybe 75% of this forum knows what the pin is...it was just cool to hear Karch tell the masses what it is. Example 2...Before the start of Game 2 in the OSU-PSU match, Karch immediately notices that OSU has "flipped the dial" and created different match-ups. This is a GOLD obvservation that can have a DRAMATIC say in some matches depending on the match-ups u get. This was a very good example of the type of stuff Karch was bringing to the table that was new and fresh. Besides...in this day and age of Hi-Def...just hit mute if the announcers anger u and watch volleyball in lovely high def!!! p.s. And thank yur stars everyday that a GREAT GUY in cybermidwest does his part to get all of volleytalk as much Men's info as is humanly possible!!! |
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Post by someguy on May 2, 2008 12:49:07 GMT -5
Hey Mr. Beck...ROOFAN! Why don't you go back into retirement and stay on your poker sites!! I have read some of the bile that you have posted on here and I have witness how you are in person and I have also had many people in the Great Lakes Region tell me how you operate. Do us all a favor and don't post here anymore!
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Post by Roofan on May 2, 2008 13:31:11 GMT -5
Hey Mr. Beck...ROOFAN! Why don't you go back into retirement and stay on your poker sites!! I have read some of the bile that you have posted on here and I have witness how you are in person and I have also had many people in the Great Lakes Region tell me how you operate. Do us all a favor and don't post here anymore! Some Guy, It seems that i have somehow angered u very badly...and I am personally not sure how. If u want to send me a private message as to what i did to u...maybe then I can apologize if I have indeed been a jerk. I ADMIT that i can be a jerk sometimes and maybe u are indeed owed some sort of apology. So feel free to pm or send me an email...it's clear u know who I am and where to reach me. As for the "bile" I spit on here. 1st of all...it was over 4 years ago!!! I have changed so much as a person in the last 4 years and in what interests me. Back then I was very angry at stuff that was happening at Lewis (stuff that was proven to be true). Today i have a good relationship w/ Dan Friend and LOVE what he is doing at Lewis. I have also seen Dave Deuser from time to time and have been very civil and friendly to him. I feel like he had been punished for what he did and it's time to move on. I currently have zero ill will towards Dave and was very happy to see him working w/ Ultimate a few years back. So again...don't know how I angered u but would gladly talk to u via PM about it. I didn't come back to start any storm...I simply saw a subject I felt like posting about. |
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Post by bAnthony on May 2, 2008 14:11:23 GMT -5
^^^^
Well roofan I enjoyed the light you seemes to shed on the the situation. It made me look at it differently and made references to some stats. I still don't think poker belongs on a sports channel, but hey, they are in it to make money, not provide for our sporting wants and desires.
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Post by ucsdfan on May 2, 2008 15:34:15 GMT -5
Hey all Haven't posted here in...I think forever! Anyway...just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on this here. I love Volleyball like everyone who posts here, but I am also a realist. Men's Volleyball, like it or not, is so low on the ESPN Totem pole it's not even funny. You mention "so much dang poker" and "useless crap like the Sven rock juggling championships". Do u have ANY idea how much more popular USA AND WORLD WIDE both of those are to Men's Volleyball? Given that ESPN2 is a domestic station, the international aspect is irrelevant. Nonetheless, I'd like to address it. I would dare to say that as far as world interest is concerned, a college volleyball match would generate more interest than ten strong men from northern Europe and North America. I feel certain that there is more international interest in a men's volleyball game than watching a few American guys sitting around smoking and playing cards. Given that there are some international players at US colleges, there is potential for an international audience if one were to pursue it and market it the right way. All-in-all, it probably wouldn't be worth the effort, but with the right marketing (see the NBA for a great example of marketing foreign players) it might generate some interest. In the US, sadly, you are correct about the number of household viewers being greater for poker than Men's Volleyball. I sincerely hope that the upcoming success of the US Olympic team will change that somewhat. Volleyball is an international sport, much like soccer, because it can be played in the poorest of conditions (all you really need is a ball and some open space). Unfortunately, prospective US viewers are not exposed to the game. As soccer and LeMans style auto racing have learned, it's really hard to sell Americans on a game/sport that is not embedded into the culture. But, the goal of ESPN is to sell advertising time. While the quantity of viewers is minimal, you have a target audience. The average viewer is a bigger consumer than your typical ESPN2 viewer, because the reality in the US is that volleyball is a sport of the more affluent (like tennis). In a given year, when you consider club expenses, travel and lodging for tournaments, gear, and other expenses (team dinners, etc...) a parent with a kid playing the sport is likely to spend between $3000 and $5000. The viewership you have for a college match are likely college educated and therefore more likely to have disposable income. If ESPN made a few human-interest stories, added a reality show twist, and marketed the college pride aspects, you could demand some pretty good money from sponsors. Because of a Comfort Inn ad I saw during a Fox broadcast this season, I will make it a point to stay at a Comfort Inn on a family trip. You can't count on this to be true for all viewers, but I would dare to say that a good ad during the game on Saturday could bring a sponsor a much greater result than advertising during the strongest man competition. I have become a semi-pro poker player myself in the last 4 years, (which is a major reason I don't post here much....I am too busy playing poker or posting at poker forums!!!) and I think the numbers would shock u as to how big poker is currently. Example... Volleytalk has 4.6k members for Men's Vball Full Contact Poker has almost 28k Ironman Mag Forum 36k members But the real question is what can a sponsor potentially sell the 28k people who are trying to get rich playing cards versus what can they potentially sell 4.6 members who are fans of a sport where they spend money on social aspects of life. The volleyball crowd is a great target audience for shoes and travel, as well as high end luxury items such as cars. The Ironman crowd is a great target audience for nutritional supplements and exercise equipment. If the people at that site all watch the strongest man competition on ESPN, then it's worth it for them to target that group. Who do you advertise to during a televised poker match besides gambling sites and poker sites? So...what I am saying to my friends here at Volleytalk...BE HAPPY THEY EVEN SHOWED IT...AND THEY SHOWED IT LIVE FOR ONCE!!! I realize that it's Cali and traffic and such make for a late arriving crowd. But when 3/4 of the stands are EMPTY for the 1st Semi-Final...can u see why ESPN doesn't spend much energy on the Men's Game? ESPN is interested in television audience more than the live crowd. If you noticed, their shots and angles didn't emphasize the empty seats. Putting the game on at 9pm EDT between two huge Big Ten schools was far more important than waiting an hour to allow fans to fill the seats. ESPN is having a west coast game start at 4PM PDT on Saturday, so obviously they must believe they can get a good enough audience to sell sponsorships to an east coast viewership. |
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Post by Roofan on May 2, 2008 16:03:46 GMT -5
[quote author=ucsdfan board=menvb thread=21137
Given that ESPN2 is a domestic station, the international aspect is irrelevant. Nonetheless, I'd like to address it. I would dare to say that as far as world interest is concerned, a college volleyball match would generate more interest than ten strong men from northern Europe and North America. I feel certain that there is more international interest in a men's volleyball game than watching a few American guys sitting around smoking and playing cards. Given that there are some international players at US colleges, there is potential for an international audience if one were to pursue it and market it the right way. All-in-all, it probably wouldn't be worth the effort, but with the right marketing (see the NBA for a great example of marketing foreign players) it might generate some interest.
In the US, sadly, you are correct about the number of household viewers being greater for poker than Men's Volleyball. I sincerely hope that the upcoming success of the US Olympic team will change that somewhat. Volleyball is an international sport, much like soccer, because it can be played in the poorest of conditions (all you really need is a ball and some open space). Unfortunately, prospective US viewers are not exposed to the game. As soccer and LeMans style auto racing have learned, it's really hard to sell Americans on a game/sport that is not embedded into the culture.
But, the goal of ESPN is to sell advertising time. While the quantity of viewers is minimal, you have a target audience. The average viewer is a bigger consumer than your typical ESPN2 viewer, because the reality in the US is that volleyball is a sport of the more affluent (like tennis). In a given year, when you consider club expenses, travel and lodging for tournaments, gear, and other expenses (team dinners, etc...) a parent with a kid playing the sport is likely to spend between $3000 and $5000. The viewership you have for a college match are likely college educated and therefore more likely to have disposable income. If ESPN made a few human-interest stories, added a reality show twist, and marketed the college pride aspects, you could demand some pretty good money from sponsors. Because of a Comfort Inn ad I saw during a Fox broadcast this season, I will make it a point to stay at a Comfort Inn on a family trip. You can't count on this to be true for all viewers, but I would dare to say that a good ad during the game on Saturday could bring a sponsor a much greater result than advertising during the strongest man competition.[/quote]
Agreed with most of this take. I was simply saying that things like poker and strongman draw great ratings for ESPN and that is why they show these things...even though this particular forum would like to see more Men's Volleyball obv.
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But the real question is what can a sponsor potentially sell the 28k people who are trying to get rich playing cards versus what can they potentially sell 4.6 members who are fans of a sport where they spend money on social aspects of life. The volleyball crowd is a great target audience for shoes and travel, as well as high end luxury items such as cars. The Ironman crowd is a great target audience for nutritional supplements and exercise equipment. If the people at that site all watch the strongest man competition on ESPN, then it's worth it for them to target that group. Who do you advertise to during a televised poker match besides gambling sites and poker sites?[/quote]
Poker players are just like any other people...they have needs and interests too. Volleyball fans may want to purchase shoes or clothes and such to show their support. Poker players also buy poker clothes and such. But this is HARDLY the revenue stream for advertisor's of poker sites. Do u have any idea how much traffic flows thru a site like Pokerstars? On any given day they have over 100k people playing on their site. Most of these players are paying money in rake. The rake these sites generate is ENORMOUS. So simply getting u to PLAY at their sites is business enough.
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ESPN is interested in television audience more than the live crowd. If you noticed, their shots and angles didn't emphasize the empty seats. Putting the game on at 9pm EDT between two huge Big Ten schools was far more important than waiting an hour to allow fans to fill the seats. ESPN is having a west coast game start at 4PM PDT on Saturday, so obviously they must believe they can get a good enough audience to sell sponsorships to an east coast viewership.[/quote]
My response had more to do with saying...be happy we saw it live. In the past we almost always saw it on tape delay, so seeing it live was a + for me.
Solid points u bring up for sure!
*edit...sorry I am not good at quoting!
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