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Post by Nutter on Aug 13, 2008 17:31:38 GMT -5
And the worst part is, we missed the FIRST TWO SETS of the match for the purpose of giving the detritivorous Microsoft NBC reporter a chance to get her camera crew up close on the hopefully emotionally raw and crying face of a little US gymnast girl who had just watched her Olympic dreams evaporate. The entire match is available on NBC Streaming video right now for everyone to disect and discuss further. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by OverAndUnder on Aug 13, 2008 17:57:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but live (or almost live) just FEELS better to watch.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU STAY UP UNTIL 1am AND ONLY GET TO SEE THE LAST SET AND A HALF BECAUSE MICROSOFT NBC WAS HOPING THEY COULD GET A LITTLE GIRL TO SOB ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.
So, not only do you not get to see the whole game live, but you already know the result when you watch the replay.
It's a lose-lose.
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Post by Nutter on Aug 13, 2008 18:13:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but live (or almost live) just FEELS better to watch. No argument from me there! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by kolohekeiki on Aug 13, 2008 18:48:29 GMT -5
I really don't know why so much of you guys are criticizing the US olympic team and why you guys are so surprised by this performance...everyone here was saying how the US was not going to be prepared for the olympics and they weren't gelling as a team already when they were playing in the grand prix...do you guys really think that they would've improved that much since then...the reason you folks are all disappointed and quick to criticize is because you folks all had high expectations for a team that probably wasn't even in the running for a medal to begin with...sorry to say but this team does have enough talent on this team to medal if they played together as a team, because there are a lot of veterans on this team...if they had more team chemistry, they would be more successful, but everyone on this team plays as individuals and not as a team...
and one last thing about the TV coverage seriously all you folks need to relax...yeah I'm a diehard volleyball fan, grew up in the sport and played it my whole life, but you guys need to understand that there are dozens of sports in the olympics that needs their time on tv as well, volleyball as had their fair share of TV coverage, the olympics is NOT centered around volleyball, all the other sports fans for the different sports needs their time to watch their favorite sports as well!
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Post by cardfan15 on Aug 14, 2008 0:00:39 GMT -5
sorry to say but this team does have enough talent on this team to medal if they played together as a team, because there are a lot of veterans on this team...if they had more team chemistry, they would be more successful, but everyone on this team plays as individuals and not as a team... Having been at the matches at this OG, I have to strongly disagree with your speculation that this team plays as individuals and not as a team. If that were the case, I don't think I would have seen as much communication and attempts to guide each other as I have witnessed in the matches. Sykora would just watch as Davis continues to struggle instead of talking with her each time she is out of the rotation. Tom would let Davis and the OH2 struggle passing instead of making a direct effort to shore up technique and assignments. Scott-Arruda and Ah Mow-Santos wouldn't have communicated as much as they did yesterday when the Dani was struggling. Of course, I don't know what goes behind closed doors, but on the court, all indication proves these ladies are behind each other. For all the talk that individualism (and therefore a lack of team unity) is the primary hindrance to Olympic success is just unfounded. As was stated by Murina in another thread, you cannot have a weak OPP who is prone to unforced errors, an OH2 who you can't completely rely on to pass, and a Libero who doesn't make a difference in the back row, AND expect greatness at the Olympic level. Those are our problems this Olympics. I'm guessing because the critique of the US team is a systemic critique that begins at early development, it is much easier for people to blame a coach or an individual player's personality (why it always seems to be LT amazes me) in order to make sense of things.
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Post by jesusofsuburbia on Aug 14, 2008 3:15:10 GMT -5
What is the link to the NBC video re-playing the Venezula match?
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Post by jesusofsuburbia on Aug 14, 2008 3:15:59 GMT -5
Sorry for mis-type. Its Venezuela....
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Post by tenniscraze on Aug 14, 2008 4:16:59 GMT -5
Nnamani is really dragging Team USA down. You are making a ridiculous statement. Nnamani has hardly played a point in all the matches so far, let alone a full game. In fact, JLP should start her because she has proven to be very effective in the offense. At times like these, when team USA is playing poorly, Nnamani would only lift their performance.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Aug 14, 2008 5:55:44 GMT -5
sorry to say but this team does have enough talent on this team to medal if they played together as a team, because there are a lot of veterans on this team...if they had more team chemistry, they would be more successful, but everyone on this team plays as individuals and not as a team... Having been at the matches at this OG, I have to strongly disagree with your speculation that this team plays as individuals and not as a team. If that were the case, I don't think I would have seen as much communication and attempts to guide each other as I have witnessed in the matches. Sykora would just watch as Davis continues to struggle instead of talking with her each time she is out of the rotation. Tom would let Davis and the OH2 struggle passing instead of making a direct effort to shore up technique and assignments. Scott-Arruda and Ah Mow-Santos wouldn't have communicated as much as they did yesterday when the Dani was struggling. Of course, I don't know what goes behind closed doors, but on the court, all indication proves these ladies are behind each other. For all the talk that individualism (and therefore a lack of team unity) is the primary hindrance to Olympic success is just unfounded. As was stated by Murina in another thread, you cannot have a weak OPP who is prone to unforced errors, an OH2 who you can't completely rely on to pass, and a Libero who doesn't make a difference in the back row, AND expect greatness at the Olympic level. Those are our problems this Olympics. I'm guessing because the critique of the US team is a systemic critique that begins at early development, it is much easier for people to blame a coach or an individual player's personality (why it always seems to be LT amazes me) in order to make sense of things. The reason Logan Tom is always blamed is because her personality on the court...have you seen the way she carries herself on the court? she never smiles, she never cheers, she jus always has a stern, even lots of time frustrated look on her face... I can understand to an extent her frustration because of the level of her game compared to everyone elses, but she needs to shake that off because by her getting frustrated it's going to affect her game and ware off onto her teammates...Logan has phenomenal volleyball talent and she can play with the best in the world, so she needs to lend some helping hands and encouragement to her teammates instead of jus getting mad and frustrated all the time...that's partially what I mean by team chemistry...teams with good team chemistry don't get mad at each other on the court instead they are their to help the players that are struggling keep their minds in the game and remain positive... if you wanna see good team chemistry look at the men's team, they have great team chemistry and look it's turning into great success on the court
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Post by naitsric on Aug 14, 2008 7:02:26 GMT -5
Having been at the matches at this OG, I have to strongly disagree with your speculation that this team plays as individuals and not as a team. If that were the case, I don't think I would have seen as much communication and attempts to guide each other as I have witnessed in the matches. Sykora would just watch as Davis continues to struggle instead of talking with her each time she is out of the rotation. Tom would let Davis and the OH2 struggle passing instead of making a direct effort to shore up technique and assignments. Scott-Arruda and Ah Mow-Santos wouldn't have communicated as much as they did yesterday when the Dani was struggling. Of course, I don't know what goes behind closed doors, but on the court, all indication proves these ladies are behind each other. For all the talk that individualism (and therefore a lack of team unity) is the primary hindrance to Olympic success is just unfounded. As was stated by Murina in another thread, you cannot have a weak OPP who is prone to unforced errors, an OH2 who you can't completely rely on to pass, and a Libero who doesn't make a difference in the back row, AND expect greatness at the Olympic level. Those are our problems this Olympics. I'm guessing because the critique of the US team is a systemic critique that begins at early development, it is much easier for people to blame a coach or an individual player's personality (why it always seems to be LT amazes me) in order to make sense of things. The reason Logan Tom is always blamed is because her personality on the court...have you seen the way she carries herself on the court? she never smiles, she never cheers, she jus always has a stern, even lots of time frustrated look on her face... I can understand to an extent her frustration because of the level of her game compared to everyone elses, but she needs to shake that off because by her getting frustrated it's going to affect her game and ware off onto her teammates...Logan has phenomenal volleyball talent and she can play with the best in the world, so she needs to lend some helping hands and encouragement to her teammates instead of jus getting mad and frustrated all the time...that's partially what I mean by team chemistry...teams with good team chemistry don't get mad at each other on the court instead they are their to help the players that are struggling keep their minds in the game and remain positive... if you wanna see good team chemistry look at the men's team, they have great team chemistry and look it's turning into great success on the court Well, that's probably because there's only testosterone on the court and no premarin or provera. I mean, 6 jock chicks on the court all at once - I think we can all agree that it's understandable if there it just so happens that there's no chemistry on the team. Each girl on the team wants to wear the miss america crown. lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2008 7:13:19 GMT -5
This is the same criticism people throw at Sarah Pavan. The real problem is that female athletes are not allowed to be individuals. If Logan were a male, people would compliment her for being so focussed and even-tempered.
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Post by Shenro on Aug 14, 2008 9:52:48 GMT -5
The reason Logan Tom is always blamed is because her personality on the court... You're living in a dream world if you think the best teams have players whose personalities are all the same ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) If Logan were a male, people would compliment her for being so focussed and even-tempered. Probably true.
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Post by fingrbustr on Aug 14, 2008 10:53:24 GMT -5
sorry to say but this team does have enough talent on this team to medal if they played together as a team, because there are a lot of veterans on this team...if they had more team chemistry, they would be more successful, but everyone on this team plays as individuals and not as a team... Having been at the matches at this OG, I have to strongly disagree with your speculation that this team plays as individuals and not as a team. If that were the case, I don't think I would have seen as much communication and attempts to guide each other as I have witnessed in the matches. Sykora would just watch as Davis continues to struggle instead of talking with her each time she is out of the rotation. Tom would let Davis and the OH2 struggle passing instead of making a direct effort to shore up technique and assignments. Scott-Arruda and Ah Mow-Santos wouldn't have communicated as much as they did yesterday when the Dani was struggling. Of course, I don't know what goes behind closed doors, but on the court, all indication proves these ladies are behind each other. For all the talk that individualism (and therefore a lack of team unity) is the primary hindrance to Olympic success is just unfounded. As was stated by Murina in another thread, you cannot have a weak OPP who is prone to unforced errors, an OH2 who you can't completely rely on to pass, and a Libero who doesn't make a difference in the back row, AND expect greatness at the Olympic level. Those are our problems this Olympics. I'm guessing because the critique of the US team is a systemic critique that begins at early development, it is much easier for people to blame a coach or an individual player's personality (why it always seems to be LT amazes me) in order to make sense of things. Technically, since Logan is playing pos 5 she is the OH2 (either Kim has been in pos 2 next to Ah-Mow). I happen to think she excels in this alignment -- the extra attacker up front for +2 rotations I believe helps free her up.
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Post by baldyballer on Aug 14, 2008 17:59:53 GMT -5
I dont care about Tom's split personalities- but her inconsistent play and focus drives me crazy. It's like she is playing in the olympics because no other volleyball is going on in the world right now. But what is really fun to read is how many things all of us can come up with that is wrong with this team. The fact that we can collectively do that shows how bad USA Volleyball screwed up by putting this women's team together. When people ask me about their performance I can only say that the middles are "pretty good". After that I shut up because if you don't have anything good to say...well you know the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2008 18:03:47 GMT -5
Oh, I'd say it shows other things than that.
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