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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 16, 2009 19:01:11 GMT -5
ANOTHER ONE. SO TEAR YOURSELF AWAY FROM FACEBOOK AND CHECKING OUT THE OPPOSITE SEX.
If the stimulus bill was SO IMPORTANT why did he wait 2 days and travel to Colorado to sign it.?
My mind is exploding from all the facts you wont see.
OBAMA IS A PUPPET FRAUD.
I dont need to give him a chance to screw up America More.
IMPEACH AND REMOVE HIM NEXT YEAR.
Yes, Hockey MOMS would do better.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 16, 2009 22:37:41 GMT -5
I just find it humorous that one of the biggest criticism's of GWB was that he acted unilaterally without stopping to gain consensus on anything, and therefore alienated everyone.
Obama just did the same exact thing on this economic stimulus package and not a peep. Everyone still thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread.
The whole package is alarming, given the fact that NONE of the measures employed has ANY TRACK RECORD whatsoever of improving the economy.
FDR's new deal didn't work, matter of fact it plunged the country even further into the Great Depression, and it had more major projects devoted to quantifiable infrastructure and creating new jobs.
This is where the country would have been in the mid-to-late 90's under Clinton, had not the technology boom and the internet boom rescued it. There is nothing on the horizon this time to pull the country out of this economic downturn.
If you really want to stimulate the economy, then re-invest in the sectors of the US GDP and the US economy that we've LOST over the past 30 years - manfacturing, durable goods, textiles, steel, etc. and find a solution that makes these sectors competitive again in the face of outsourcing and cheap foreign labor. Allow these sectors to compete once again worldwide WITHOUT having to tweak the trade balances in these areas. Do more to give US small businesses competitive advantage again in a market place dominated by Wal-Mart and their predatory practices in the retail market. Reform securities and exchange legislation and make corporate leaders stop their pursuits of legal-yet-unethical-methods of tweaking their reporting to maximize stock prices and returns.
There's alot better ideas out there than the crap they put in this stimulus bill. Typical democrats, use the stimulus package as a blank check to throw everything and the kitchen sink on the taxpayer wallet without any evidence that any of that crap is gonna work.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Feb 16, 2009 23:17:39 GMT -5
I just find it humorous that one of the biggest criticism's of GWB was that he acted unilaterally without stopping to gain consensus on anything, and therefore alienated everyone. Obama just did the same exact thing on this economic stimulus package and not a peep. Everyone still thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread.This is absolutely untrue. I did not vote for Obama, mainly because I knew he was a classic tax-and-spend Democrat. However, many of my friends are solid Democrats who opposed the bailouts last year, but voted for Obama based on social issues, and are really unhappy at the current financial direction of our new President. These days I'm having a hard time sorting out the "liberals" from the "conservatives". Deficit spending was wrong when Reagan did it, wrong when Bush the Younger did it, and will no doubt be wrong when Obama does it, as seems likely. Furthermore, the things which were most upsetting during Bush's terms were not always the results of the legislative process, but instead the over-exercising (some would say gross expansion) of executive powers in a manner which is inimical to our Constitutional balance. While I do not like this 'Stimulus' bill very much, nevertheless it was introduced by elected representatives of the people and the States, and the President will sign into law the bill produced by the Legislature. These provisions are not being mandated by executive order in contravention of existing laws, treaties, the counsel of Congress, and the advice of members of the President's own cabinet such as the Secretary of State and the Attorney General. Furthermore, we will have thousands of media outlets analyzing every portion of this bill and how it will be implemented over its lifespan. It is very unlikely that eight years from now there will still be a backlog of FOI requests and lawsuits demanding that the government tell us exactly how the bill was used, unlike legislation such as HR 3162, passed in October 2001, the scope of which we will probably not fully understand until decades later as government documents reach their declassification age.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 17, 2009 0:06:06 GMT -5
Uhhh....the Patriot Act contained information that potential adversaries of the US and state-sponsored terrorists could use in the real world to exploit and attack targets inside the USA.
I highly doubt that Osama Bin Laden (who has been dead for years now anyway) or his followers will be able to concoct a scheme to blow up a target in the US knowing that 3 billion dollars were spent on family planning and sex education programs.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 17, 2009 0:10:33 GMT -5
And, honestly, you really weren't dumb enough to think that there would be full disclosure of what the CIA and the NSA, and afterwards, the Homeland Security Office was gonna do with that money did you?
"Uh...yes...we spent your money developing this neat computer system that can take the most amazing pictures using latent signals from your cellphone. So, yes, we know you're cheating on your wife, and by the way, your mistress is butt-ugly and we have pictures of you guys doing it in the backyard..."
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 17, 2009 10:03:48 GMT -5
Obama on social issues...?
Paying for abortions in different countries? Mean while we are running the deficit to UN heard of heights. GREAT.
Close QITMO...great..Where do they all go.?
Pull Troops from IRAQ.. Yes ,Thank you Republicans and McCain.
Appoint numerous people with tax cheats on your staff.
Fail to give the public any time to view any new Bill ..much less 48 hours as promised.
Voting on SOCIAL ISSUES is the most STUPID THINK I HAVE EVER HEARD OF.
Keeping America safe is the #1 job. Not providing abortions.
Keeping our economy strong #2 job. Not letting Democrats spent trillions in PORK for their support.
This guy in less than a Month is rating a F- in his record.
in 3 months you will all agree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 11:25:07 GMT -5
I see Bob has joined the ranks of the New Deal Deniers. Who knows? Maybe he's right. Just goes to show you how easy it is to distort history, either way. Just goes to show you how easily religions can build their myths, too.
As for Bill, it's like he's not even attempting to make sense anymore. Sad. Very sad.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 17, 2009 13:49:59 GMT -5
I see Bob has joined the ranks of the New Deal Deniers. Who knows? Maybe he's right. Just goes to show you how easy it is to distort history, either way. Just goes to show you how easily religions can build their myths, too. As for Bill, it's like he's not even attempting to make sense anymore. Sad. Very sad. What is there to deny about the New Deal? I'm not saying FDR was a bad guy or that the program itself sucked ass, I'm just saying it didn't accomplish what it set out to do at the level it was promised to perform. Here's some statistics (yeah, I know, it's Wikipedia...I'm too lazy today to go look up the real research articles): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Deal#Depression_statisticsThe New Deal limped along showing a little bit of progress, but it's debatable whether or not the country would have recovered faster with the program in place as it was, or if the economy were just left untouched and allowed to recover on its own. World War II ended the Great Depression and ushered in a new era of wartime productivity and post-war prosperity. Anyone that wants to argue otherwise is just a silly-nilly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 14:00:15 GMT -5
It's only been debatable recently. I'm not saying it shouldn't be debated, but the debate has come out of nowhere.
Most economists, Paul Krugman for one, would claim it didn't do as much as it could because FDR took his foot off the gas. He was trying to appease the guys calling him a socialist. What can't be debated -- can it? -- is that it put Americans back to work.
What I find silly-nilly are the folks who still think everything works out for the best if Capitalism is just left alone. Works out for a few, maybe.
I have an open mind about the stimulus and the fiasco we are in. I know the Republicans got a lot of crap into the bill they ended up not supporting, too. Krugman, again, says it's still too small. There will need to be a Stim 2.0.
I'm all ears. Just don't send me to FOX or the Washington Times, please.
What I _do_ know is that the GOP opposition is not sincere. Politics, plain and simple.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 17, 2009 14:15:53 GMT -5
It's only been debatable recently. I'm not saying it shouldn't be debated, but the debate has come out of nowhere. Not true, I remember 7th grade social studies class we covered the period between WWI and WWII during the spring semester, and Sister Joan our history teacher pretty much emphasized the suckiness of the New Deal.
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 17, 2009 14:49:54 GMT -5
R..
sad?
I am not the one in denial. Democrats and the far left are.
Social progressives now get to taste what their far left cousins cook. And it doesn't taste good? Wait..it isn't cooked all the way yet.. but if it looks bad,smells bad....and other cooks who have tried the same recipe say it will taste bad...
I will go on Historical evidence and not "hope" that garbage will taste better afterwords.
The economy was bad under Republicans ..but it is worsening now. Blame Republicans for HIGH gas prices..but who's to blame now?
Blame Bush for a Bad war...but who is still funding and directing it now?
Blame Bush for all those wiretaps..yet OBAMA hasn't suspended them yet?
Blame Bush for the AUTO mess...yet who is giving them even more money to fail?
Blame WALMART for not being UNION yet they are still heads above anybody else...except ECL..
Blame Bush for the stock market falling..but its falling faster and further this year.
Blame Bush for the housing market meltdown... Just who was in charge of that ? DEMOCRATS..
WHO ran on change we can all believe in ?...OBAMA .. not BUSH.
Yes, its opposition to conservatives and Republicans. Politics...plain and simple.
Who gained the most from this stimulus package? Not the rich..nor the taxpayers..nor your "children" PORK IS and will always be PORK..even if it wears lipstick and Democrats cook it.
Baaa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 15:06:12 GMT -5
Sorry, Bill. No one believed Obama would be able to fix this mess in 4 weeks. Nice standard you are holding him to.
And you still haven't defined pork. It's a stimulus bill.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 17, 2009 16:28:09 GMT -5
Sorry, Bill. No one believed Obama would be able to fix this mess in 4 weeks. Nice standard you are holding him to. And you still haven't defined pork. It's a stimulus bill. Yep, the Dems keep chastizing the rest of us for not realizing that condoms and sex education money are always the pillars of any economic stimulus package.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 17:14:42 GMT -5
Right. As if either item amounts to significant $$. But, more to the point, as if those items are a reflection of the bill as a whole. Hell, there are stupid tax cuts in there, too. Pretty porky, those.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 17, 2009 20:41:14 GMT -5
Right. As if either item amounts to significant $$. But, more to the point, as if those items are a reflection of the bill as a whole. Hell, there are stupid tax cuts in there, too. Pretty porky, those. Well, if you think 3 billion isn't significant, then can I have 3 billion dollars please?
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