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Post by ladeda on Apr 24, 2009 14:52:22 GMT -5
Hannity recently said the water boarding isn't all that bad and how did he arrive at this conclusion ,well Ollie North told him.
Hannity also recently volunteered to under go waterboarding to prove his point and Olbermann calls his bluff.
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Apr 24, 2009 15:15:57 GMT -5
The thing about torture is, if you have a specific response/confession you want, you can often get it. Getting the truth is a whole other matter. All the person has to do is give you some reasonable lie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 16:19:26 GMT -5
183 times in one month, too. There's just something fundamentally wrong with that. I don't mean morally, because there's that too. But there's something flawed in the whole efficacy of the enterprise if it requires 183 applications.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 16:27:12 GMT -5
As for Sean Hammity, this is all very ugly.
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Post by JT on Apr 24, 2009 17:59:19 GMT -5
183 times in one month, too. No... he doesn't get a number of times. We get to waterboard him until we believe he's told us everything we want to know. Could be once... could be ten times... could be 183 times... maybe it'll be 1000 times. He doesn't get to know how many times, or when it'll stop.
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Post by hammer on Apr 24, 2009 20:00:18 GMT -5
Let's not waste our time on Hannity and Olberman. Let's meta-waterboard instead. Let's waterboard Pelosi to see if she knew waterboarding was going on. And while were at it, let's see if she used Government funds for her botox treatments. Let's use it on Paulson too because it looks like he pressured The Bank of America CEO into buying Merrill-Lynch without full disclosure of M-L debt (although Paulson and Bernanke deny).
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Post by goGopherBill on Apr 27, 2009 11:40:01 GMT -5
YOU liberal weenies dont know torture.
WATER BOARDING LAST FOR UNDER 80 seconds.
using it repeatedly softens up one's stamina and ability to hide information.
You were not asking RANDOM PEOPLE ABOUT RANDOM IDEAS OR FACTS.
You were ASKING KNOWN TERRORIST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION..knowing you could in fact check and see if he or she was lying.
It isn't like asking Bill Clinton If he had sex with Monica... But I BET we would get more info if we water boarded HIM and
THE LYING SCUM BAG TED KENNEDY about that certain accident he covered up..
And I bet OBAMA would give a MORE TRUTHFUL ANSWER about REV . WRIGHT church and his corruption.
NO wonder they don't want the facts to be heard..
IT WORKS!!
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Post by ladeda on Apr 27, 2009 11:58:20 GMT -5
Hannity won't respond to Keith's challenge and Olbermann called him a coward which we already knew .
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Post by OverAndUnder on Apr 27, 2009 14:06:39 GMT -5
It's strange to have spent the last couple years hearing torturers desperately defend the efficacy of torture techniques like waterboarding. I'd think any technique that has to be repeated 180+ times must not be all that valuable.
I wonder what would happen if they ever tried to waterboard a circus sword-swallower. Would he just laugh, or what?
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Post by goGopherBill on Apr 27, 2009 17:53:39 GMT -5
I have to repeat my self over 180 times to get R to agree that he is wrong.
You could just do like the terrorist do...cut off someones head just 1 time.
That is efficiency.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Apr 28, 2009 8:54:46 GMT -5
I have to repeat my self over 180 times to get R to agree that he is wrong. You could just do like the terrorist do...cut off someones head just 1 time. That is efficiency. Efficient homicide, yes, but not efficient information extraction.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Apr 28, 2009 10:16:54 GMT -5
Doesn't the whole "he had to be waterboarded 183 times" make the "what if there were a ticking nuclear bomb in NY" scenerio worthless?
Apparently, the lesson is, if there is a nuclear bomb about to go off in New York, don't try to find out where by waterboarding...
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Post by JT on Apr 29, 2009 1:03:32 GMT -5
It's strange to have spent the last couple years hearing torturers desperately defend the efficacy of torture techniques like waterboarding. I'd think any technique that has to be repeated 180+ times must not be all that valuable. It also means that torture is wrong only when the information isn't important enough. If you can simulate drowning because the (believed to be known) information is crucial, then you can break legs if the information is more critical. You can slowly boil the person if it's important enough. Heck, you can use a serrated knife and decapitate the guy's wife and kids, as long as it's important enough.Once you say that the "wrongness" is based on the information gained, any torture techniques are permissible, if the situation warrants it. That's why the CAT says that there is never a justification. It doesn't matter how much (or little) information we got from using the technique. If it's torture, it's wrong. Period.
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Post by goGopherBill on Apr 29, 2009 8:47:19 GMT -5
Never a justification?
Ok lets just shoot them. that will get us info..and keep us safer.
Then the liberal doves will complain that we should never have armed our troops with guns... it just created my terrorist.
Of course Democrats say anybody REPUBLICAN creates more terrorist...
and last nite KEITH the sportsguy without an education on the lowest ranked network said...
"The American owned pig farm in Mexico is responsible for starting the disease..when will we learn we need regulation? "
KEITH...you are nothing.
less than sheep poop.
and I could kick your butt.
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Post by JT on Apr 29, 2009 9:42:27 GMT -5
That's what the Convention Against Torture says. Are "right" and "wrong" dependent on what you accomplish through the act, or are they consistent values, Bill?
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