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Post by BearClause on Apr 29, 2009 13:32:16 GMT -5
Wow, that thing looks like it was designed in the 1950s. I realize it is the federal government, but the design just looks archaic to me. That's not archaic. Have you seen what old federal government documents used to look like? I remember friends with the older Green Card when it was actually a pale green color.
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Post by goGopherBill on Apr 29, 2009 14:04:17 GMT -5
Now if we could only get a picture ID card valid for voting...
Gee you need 1 for a DRIVERS LICENSE. Now for Hunting and Fishing .. Travel out of country.. For collecting RETIREMENT benifits.. For SS and unemployment ... but not for voting...?
mmm
WHY NOT?
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2009 14:34:37 GMT -5
Driving, hunting, fishing, travel -- these are all priviliges. Voting is a constitutionally guaranteed right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2009 14:34:51 GMT -5
Well, for one reason, there has never been any indication that it is needed. Voter fraud is a myth.
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Post by BearClause on Apr 29, 2009 15:26:40 GMT -5
Well, for one reason, there has never been any indication that it is needed. Voter fraud is a myth. Maybe not a myth per se, but wildly overblown as to how common.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2009 15:32:36 GMT -5
Well, for one reason, there has never been any indication that it is needed. Voter fraud is a myth. Maybe not a myth per se, but wildly overblown as to how common. Point is that it is historically much more common for people to attempt to keep legitimate voters from voting than it is for people who are not legitimate voters to try and vote.
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Post by goGopherBill on Apr 29, 2009 23:10:10 GMT -5
voter fraud a myth ? Bush WINS!!!
Florida!!
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Post by BearClause on May 9, 2009 19:19:40 GMT -5
Thinking about IDs again, does anyone remember old, old style IDs?
I recall when passports used a supplied photograph glued to the ID page with an embossed seal that had a limited means to detect tampering. If your photo paper wasn't stable, then the picture could theoretically fade. Anyone here see the movie "The Killing Fields" where Dith Pran tried getting out using a secondary British passport with his photo inserted - only the unstable photo paper turned to white by the time he tried to use it.
Then I recall laminated ID photo pages in passports. It still ran into a problem if the original photo was unstable. I remember that Polaroid dominated the market for passport/visa photos even though the paper could continue to shift color over the years.
Photographically produced IDs were also kind of strange. They always seemed a bit too easy to counterfeit. My first Cal student ID was odd. They took it against a blue background for undergrads or a yellow background for graduate students. The student was asked to sign a transparent plastic sheet. The sheet was inserted into a special camera, and the photo and signature became the basis of a composite photo that was turned into a photo print and then laminated.
My first driver's license was done in a similar way. We got a form to sign with our address and other information. Then driver's head and this sheet were simultaneously photographed to make a composite print. I had no idea what the photo would look like until I got it. The back of the license even said "THIS PAPER MANUFACTURER BY KODAK". Eventually when they went to digital photography, I could have a look at the photo before approving it.
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Post by goGopherBill on May 11, 2009 10:21:57 GMT -5
I was just thinking ..why have a travel card at all?
You dont want a valid voter ID card. So why put legal citizens through all the hassle to travel..when BAD guys are not threatened at all?
It seems if we lessened cost and rules we could save money.
all the protections now dont seem to work..because Bad guys dont follow rules.
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Post by hammer on May 11, 2009 14:11:18 GMT -5
It just seems like it shouldn't cost me $400 to venture into Canada. I blame W. Seems like a small price to pay to visit such a beautiful country. Sometimes us "ugly Americans" treat Canada like a low class suburb.
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Post by hammer on May 11, 2009 14:20:20 GMT -5
voter fraud a myth ? Bush WINS!!! Florida!! Al Gore would have been elected instead of W. That, I think, is a double-edger. If Al went four or eight years with liberal tax and spend -- yes, even more than W, then who knows, maybe Mitt "is it" right now.
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Post by hammer on May 11, 2009 14:32:55 GMT -5
Now if we could only get a picture ID card valid for voting... Gee you need 1 for a DRIVERS LICENSE. Now for Hunting and Fishing .. Travel out of country.. For collecting RETIREMENT benifits.. For SS and unemployment ... but not for voting...? mmm WHY NOT? My dead uncle could have voted in the last California Election. His absentee ballot was sent to our house. After his death the State of California thought he had moved to our address (since we submitted a Postal forward for his mail to go to our address.) Anyway, for each CA election since his death, he has received an absentee ballot at our address. I, or my wife, could have easily forged his signature and voted for him. Or we could have sold his vote.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 11, 2009 14:56:39 GMT -5
Now if we could only get a picture ID card valid for voting... Gee you need 1 for a DRIVERS LICENSE. Now for Hunting and Fishing .. Travel out of country.. For collecting RETIREMENT benifits.. For SS and unemployment ... but not for voting...? mmm WHY NOT? My dead uncle could have voted in the last California Election. His absentee ballot was sent to our house. After his death the State of California thought he had moved to our address (since we submitted a Postal forward for his mail to go to our address.) Anyway, for each CA election since his death, he has received an absentee ballot at our address. I, or my wife, could have easily forged his signature and voted for him. Or we could have sold his vote. And you could have gone to jail, too. So, did you try telling the elections office that he's dead? Or are you just enjoying your righteous indignation too much to do so?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 15:09:08 GMT -5
It just seems like it shouldn't cost me $400 to venture into Canada. I blame W. Seems like a small price to pay to visit such a beautiful country. Sometimes us "ugly Americans" treat Canada like a low class suburb. Right. I was referring to the fact that my state borders Canada. Seems a shame I can't cross the border without paying $400. Not sure it's fair to restrict travel to those who can afford such extravagance. But if you think I'm just dissing Canada, more power to you.
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Post by hammer on May 11, 2009 15:15:14 GMT -5
My dead uncle could have voted in the last California Election. His absentee ballot was sent to our house. After his death the State of California thought he had moved to our address (since we submitted a Postal forward for his mail to go to our address.) Anyway, for each CA election since his death, he has received an absentee ballot at our address. I, or my wife, could have easily forged his signature and voted for him. Or we could have sold his vote. And you could have gone to jail, too. So, did you try telling the elections office that he's dead? Or are you just enjoying your righteous indignation too much to do so? Yes, the CA State agency that handles death certification clearly knows about his death. We and other relatives have received info from the state indicating they are aware. You would think that a death certification would (within a reasonable amount of time) cause voting privileges to cease, but that hasn't happened in this case. One has to wonder if there aren't thousands or even millions of dead people who can still vote in the Golden State.
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