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Post by Phaedrus on May 23, 2009 15:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by clue31 on May 23, 2009 16:41:37 GMT -5
It is amazing what a great teacher you can be when the boosters bought and paid for many of the top players on a team, in an era before others began doing so. Amazing this is always held in such reverance.
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Post by jgrout on May 23, 2009 17:34:44 GMT -5
Cheating was far more frequent in Wooden's day than it is today... and it wasn't new then.
UCLA, USC and Washington all left the Pac-10's predecessor, the Pacific Coast Conference, in the late 1950's, a number of years before the start of UCLA's big championship run, all accused of frequent cheating... and they were just the poster children for the West Coast.
My alma mater, Illinois, didn't run its own sports program... it was run by the Alumni Association... and kept aloof from the sordid details of Big Ten athletics. This sort of thing led the University of Chicago to drop football in 1939 and to quit the Big Ten altogether in 1946.
I will allow that one of the reasons I follow VB is that there is less "win at all costs" and so less cheating.
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Post by BearClause on May 23, 2009 19:07:20 GMT -5
Part of John Wooden's success came from the fact that Pete Newell left coaching in 1960. Wooden's UCLA teams of the late 50's clearly had more talent but lost to Newell's teams 8 times in a row before Newell retired. Only one team per conference could go into the NCAA Tournament at the time.
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Post by runninrebel44 on May 23, 2009 19:37:24 GMT -5
The man is the greatest coach and mentor of all time. Bashing him is unbelievable, in any forum.
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Post by bunnywailer on May 23, 2009 20:22:32 GMT -5
It is amazing what a great teacher you can be when the boosters bought and paid for many of the top players on a team, in an era before others began doing so. Amazing this is always held in such reverance. Blah...blah...blah. You just don't get it, do you? The reason people keep Wooden in such high regard is because of Wooden the man - his grace, his spirit, and his character. Wooden the coach has been retired for 35 years. His championships - big deal.
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Post by BearClause on May 23, 2009 20:34:53 GMT -5
It is amazing what a great teacher you can be when the boosters bought and paid for many of the top players on a team, in an era before others began doing so. Amazing this is always held in such reverance. Blah...blah...blah. You just don't get it, do you? The reason people keep Wooden in such high regard is because of Wooden the man - his grace, his spirit, and his character. Wooden the coach has been retired for 35 years. His championships - big deal. You kidding me. Certainly he was a fine coach. However - he was excessively anal about everything about his team from the pregame meal to material of his players' socks. After his retirement he kept on complaining about the "dunk shot" and 3 point shot. His style of coaching was excessively rigid and not particularly creative. John WoodenWhat the legendary coach gets wrong about basketball. www.slate.com/id/2155116/
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Post by bunnywailer on May 23, 2009 20:45:09 GMT -5
Blah...blah...blah. You just don't get it, do you? The reason people keep Wooden in such high regard is because of Wooden the man - his grace, his spirit, and his character. Wooden the coach has been retired for 35 years. His championships - big deal. You kidding me. Certainly he was a fine coach. However - he was excessively anal about everything about his team from the pregame meal to material of his players' socks. After his retirement he kept on complaining about the "dunk shot" and 3 point shot. His style of coaching was excessively rigid and not particularly creative. John WoodenWhat the legendary coach gets wrong about basketball. www.slate.com/id/2155116/Hah. Yet another doofus who doesn't get it.
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Post by lovaza on May 23, 2009 21:53:03 GMT -5
Part of John Wooden's success came from the fact that Pete Newell left coaching in 1960. Wooden's UCLA teams of the late 50's clearly had more talent but lost to Newell's teams 8 times in a row before Newell retired. Only one team per conference could go into the NCAA Tournament at the time. Who is Pete Newell and how many NCAA Championships did he win?
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Post by Phaedrus on May 23, 2009 22:05:12 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_NewellPete Newell is considered one of the greats, so don't denigrate him. He also trained some mighty fine Big Men in his camp, in fact his big men camp was the premier place for centers coming out of college to go to in preparation for the more physical NBA game. ...one of only three coaches to win the "Triple Crown" of NCAA, NIT and Olympic championships.
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Post by lovaza on May 23, 2009 22:07:04 GMT -5
Baloney
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Post by Phaedrus on May 23, 2009 22:09:38 GMT -5
Believe what you want to believe.
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Post by BearClause on May 23, 2009 22:31:02 GMT -5
Part of John Wooden's success came from the fact that Pete Newell left coaching in 1960. Wooden's UCLA teams of the late 50's clearly had more talent but lost to Newell's teams 8 times in a row before Newell retired. Only one team per conference could go into the NCAA Tournament at the time. Who is Pete Newell and how many NCAA Championships did he win? Former head coach at San Francisco, Michigan State, and Cal. He was head coach of USF's 1949 NIT championship team - back when the NIT had more prestige than the NCAA Tournament. His 1959 Cal team beat Cincinnati (with Oscar Robertson) in the semis and then beat West Virginia (with Jerry West) in the finals. They were runners up the next season after taking down Cincinnati (with Robertson) again. Robertson and West played on Newell's 1960 US Olympic team that won the gold medal in Rome. To this day they speak very highly of Coach Newell. Just ask what John Wooden thought of Pete Newell...... A man who was a legend even to other legendswww.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/17/SPGM1468HJ.DTLNewell was a big man on campus, and beyondThe coaching legend, who died Monday at 93, built a basketball power at Cal that might have challenged John Wooden's UCLA dynasty if health concerns hadn't forced his premature retirement in 1960. articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/18/sports/sp-dufresne18
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Post by IdahoBoy on May 24, 2009 9:17:27 GMT -5
The reason people keep Wooden in such high regard is because of Wooden the man - his grace, his spirit, and his character. Wooden the coach has been retired for 35 years. His championships - big deal. Wow... I find myself in agreement with GSOBB.
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Post by lovaza on May 24, 2009 14:20:57 GMT -5
Why don't you ask Bobby Knight what he thought of Pete Newell?
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