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Post by BearClause on Aug 31, 2009 13:18:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry...I shouldn't have said immediately...what I meant was that the coach would have that scholarship available the next year if the player transferred and could immediately use it in terms of recruiting as opposed to waiting three years for the player to graduate. That might be tough. Most of the top players are committed by that time (before the senior year of HS starts). Most players probably commit in their senior year of HS, but relying on a scholarship opening to get another player doesn't seem like that good an option for the coach. The recruiting cycles don't work well if one only knows that the scholarship is available that late.
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Post by vbobserver08 on Aug 31, 2009 15:58:26 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for your responses...didn't mean to wander off topic
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 31, 2009 20:47:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry...I shouldn't have said immediately...what I meant was that the coach would have that scholarship available the next year if the player transferred and could immediately use it in terms of recruiting as opposed to waiting three years for the player to graduate. Scholarships are a one year contract, and DI teams are allowed to have a maximum of 12 players (with eligibility remaining) receiving athletic based aid at any given time. Once a player: -Loses their eligibility (exhausts their 4 years...run's past their 5 years, or medical hardship), they no longer count against the the 12. -Quits or performs some serious misconduct, their award can be removed. (mid-year awards can be given under certain circumstances) Outside of this...technically...all scholarships end yearly and can (technically again) be redistributed in any way. So...if the player in question quit at the end of the season...the coach could award (if they wanted to (and the admin backed them)) give the award to someone else mid-year. If they are being released for a transfer at the end of the school year, the coach would be able to award the scholarship to someone new for the fall semester/quarter.
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Post by macroman on Aug 31, 2009 21:04:29 GMT -5
It's also possible to get a second redshirt year due to injury. This requires approval by the NCAA and extends the 5 year eligibility clock.
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Post by pennstate7188 on Sept 1, 2009 1:02:03 GMT -5
Non-medical Red shirt is an improperly used phrase though everyone uses it. When you start college, you have 5 years of athletic eligibility. But only 4 years in any one sport. If you do not play one point all season long, you automatically do not lose a year of eligibility in that sport. This requires no declaration by the coach. And this could happen their freshman, soph , junior, or senior year. But once the 5 year clock expires, your career is over even if you never played in those 5 years. Some athletes after 4 years go on to play one year in a different sport. Jessica Gysin at USC is playing in her sixth year for the Trojans. She was redshirted as a freshman, then received a medical redshirt because of an injury in her sophomore season I believe. This is kinda off-topic, but... since Cynthia Barboza got a medical redshirt during her freshman season when she tore her ACL (or at least, I THOUGHT she got a redshirt), she could've played this year for Stanford as her fifth year of eligibility?! Hmm... I wonder...
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Post by kolohekeiki on Sept 1, 2009 7:20:36 GMT -5
Non-medical Red shirt is an improperly used phrase though everyone uses it. When you start college, you have 5 years of athletic eligibility. But only 4 years in any one sport. If you do not play one point all season long, you automatically do not lose a year of eligibility in that sport. This requires no declaration by the coach. And this could happen their freshman, soph , junior, or senior year. But once the 5 year clock expires, your career is over even if you never played in those 5 years. Some athletes after 4 years go on to play one year in a different sport. Jessica Gysin at USC is playing in her sixth year for the Trojans. She was redshirted as a freshman, then received a medical redshirt because of an injury in her sophomore season I believe. This is kinda off-topic, but... since Cynthia Barboza got a medical redshirt during her freshman season when she tore her ACL (or at least, I THOUGHT she got a redshirt), she could've played this year for Stanford as her fifth year of eligibility?! Hmm... I wonder... If I'm not mistaken the reason Barboza didn't redshirt is because she went over the limit on the amount of games you can play before you are eligible to redshirt...otherwise I'm sure they would've given her a redshirt year
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Sept 1, 2009 8:44:47 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken the reason Barboza didn't redshirt is because she went over the limit on the amount of games you can play before you are eligible to redshirt...otherwise I'm sure they would've given her a redshirt year Yes, it was late in October vs Cal, well past the cutoff.
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Post by BearClause on Sept 1, 2009 10:06:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry...I shouldn't have said immediately...what I meant was that the coach would have that scholarship available the next year if the player transferred and could immediately use it in terms of recruiting as opposed to waiting three years for the player to graduate. Scholarships are a one year contract, and DI teams are allowed to have a maximum of 12 players (with eligibility remaining) receiving athletic based aid at any given time. Once a player: -Loses their eligibility (exhausts their 4 years...run's past their 5 years, or medical hardship), they no longer count against the the 12. -Quits or performs some serious misconduct, their award can be removed. (mid-year awards can be given under certain circumstances) Outside of this...technically...all scholarships end yearly and can (technically again) be redistributed in any way. So...if the player in question quit at the end of the season...the coach could award (if they wanted to (and the admin backed them)) give the award to someone else mid-year. If they are being released for a transfer at the end of the school year, the coach would be able to award the scholarship to someone new for the fall semester/quarter. If they completed their eligibility, they still count against the 12 until the end of the school year. I think you were referring to something like a four (consecutive) year player receiving a fifth year athletic scholarship. I'd note that fifth year players without remaining eligibility can do stuff like practice with the team and participate in preseason activities or spring competition. The NCAA has a bunch of rules on the awarding of a midyear athletic scholarship. It either has to be in the final term of the student-athlete or there's a one-time exception for someone who's never been on athletic scholarship. I originall though there was some exception for midyear drops like senior football players, but apparently not. This was all I could find, and it is for women's volleyball only:
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Post by lonewolf on Sept 1, 2009 10:40:19 GMT -5
If they completed their eligibility, they still count against the 12 until the end of the school year. I think you were referring to something like a four (consecutive) year player receiving a fifth year athletic scholarship. I'd note that fifth year players without remaining eligibility can do stuff like practice with the team and participate in preseason activities or spring competition. Correct...sorry if that didn't come across clear in my post. However...if they graduated in December of their senior year...then the award could be given to someone else (more common with players whom have extended their eligibility into a 5th year from red-shirting.)
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