Another example of NE volleyball vs other regions....
I coach a DII team in a very competitive conference in the midwest. We are currently in the bottom half of the league and have a long way to go to get to the top teams. Most of my athletes, as well as the athletes on teh top teams in the league are from our region.
Last season we played a perennial NCAA Northeast Regional participant. Most, if not all, of their roster was made up of athletes from the East Region.
2. Too many colleges. There are more colleges in New England than any other part of the country. There are over 100 colleges that play volleyball in greater Boston.
100 schools? You must be counting the high schools. In the greater Boston Area there are 35 schools, not 100. Though those school do have women's volleyball, not all of them recruit locally, and if they do, the local girls aren't on the rosters. NY METROPOLITAN area has over 50 schools, and yes most of the young ladies do stay around here and play at all the levels, D1 to JuCo.
SO your argument is stunned there. You have helped to prove BOD's point.
And how far is the reach of the GREATER BOSTON area??? Beverly...Salem/Peabody, Cambridge/Newton, Quincy?! If that is your area of delineation, than you do have at the least, 60 schools, still not 100.
Additionally in the context of your argument the New York Metropolitan area has more schools than anywhere PERIOD...our reach is all the way down to Annapolis, MD with you calculations.
5. Darwin. Survival of the fittest. Local D-II's scholarship kids who don't deserve any money. A chubby 5'10 middle with OK skills gets calls from 100 coaches. Who's left for D-III? This didn't make any sense and was a complete non sequitur. I think you're complaining that the D2 coaches are somehow poaching the short squat players in the region that you're talking about recruiting in the first place?
I have seen most of the D2 rosters in the past few years...NOT MANY OF THEM HAVE LOCAL ATHLETES. In fact Bentley, if I am correct, has the highest number of MA/CT/VT/ME players in the region, and even that is stretching.
Again, thus further proving BOD's point. The local athlete in the New England area isn't the athlete needed to expand the "vision" of volleyball. Those athletes are play basketball, soccer, even lacrosse. That is scary in my book.
You said "3. Terrible high school and club coaching." I believe I countered with the fact that kids start later in New England... great coaches won't help players that get started in 9th grade as much... and I left out the part that better coaches should be coaching the younger players, however all the better club coaches seem to want to coach 18's. You won't find many reasonable high school JV and freshmen coaches at all.
ALL of the coaches I know in the club world, WANT YOUNGER KIDS!!! Not the older ones. Its what any coach wants, to start fresh and new with a group that hasn't been tainted by bad high school coaching. THIS ELIMINATES YOUR POINT ALL TOGETHER. Ask any club coach "what age do you want to coach, more than half will say 13's or 14's." Nat sure which club coaches you have been talking to, but I have spoken with many in 20+ year of volleyball and most of them would say the younger kids is who the want to coach. (did I say that in enough ways for you to get?)
Furthermore, kids start playing - better yet - young ladies, start playing sports at a much older age than boys anyway. They don't discover sports until 5th grade. The matter that some start volleyball in 9th grade means nothing. I saw a girl go from not being able to play volleyball one year to being a regional all selection the next. This was because of the coach AND the kid!!!
Look I'm not siding with anyone, but when you make arguments, make sure your ammo case isn't full of blanks. You are correct in one thing, New England is getting better. It will take time, just as it will in NY/NJ/CT Metro area.
We haven't been very good in very long time. Back to Back years we have a girl from our region get recruited to PSU. That says a lot about our talent pool, but that should be the norm when you have this kind of populous. It just hasn't been.
Post by newenglander on Aug 15, 2011 20:46:40 GMT -5
simplycurious, NY MSA is 18.9m and Boston MSA is 4.5m (220 miles apart). DFW 6.3m and Houston 5.9m (239 miles). Comparable distances, NY/Bos is 23.4m and TX is 12.2m (about 1/2 the size). Is there a bigger and proximate pair of MSAs in TX?
Yellowjacket, thanks for proving my point... A)BOD said 100 schools, not me! Apology accepted, he's pulling numbers out of the air. B) BOD said that the D2 schools here are poaching from the D3 schools (which you acknowledge is not true). Thanks for agreeing again.
I go to the NE club tournaments and I can tell you that they younger age groups (15/14 and under) do not have the stronger coaches. Also, how many 12's teams are there? I can tell you when we get girls relocating from around the country to here they all start playing in 4th-5th grade... not here.
I love NE volleyball and I'm a big booster... I'm not slamming it at all. BOD was the one that said New Englanders suffer from "bad genes" and the women folk are all short and stout.
I think they are referring to Scott & Whitney, both from the GEVA region.
Actually I stand corrected by myself...Marika, then Ariel then Aiyana, so its been 3 consecutive years.
All from New Jersey...all at Penn State...
Well, lets see:
Does Marika even count? Yes she is at Penn State, but is she really a Penn State Player? I'd say no, since she will never get to play.
Ariel and Aiyana are there more for their athletic ability than their volleyball skills. Both are exceptional athletes who happen to play volleyball. And Russ knows he can make them VB players. (as opposed to someone like Dorton who came in as a very good volleyball player)
Neither of these players have been playing VB for a long time. Neither has had great coaching to refine their skills. (case in point: Scott's "unfortunate" (Rose's words) arm swing.)
If either of those kids had played High School/Club ball in other parts of the country, they would be much better volleyball players.
Same goes for a kid like Baily Webster. Same kind of VB atmosphere in Maryland. Same kind of potential in someone late to the game.