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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 22, 2011 11:54:46 GMT -5
The average male height is about 5'9" and the average female height about 5'4", for a difference of about 5", but the net height for men is 7'11 5/8" and for women 7'4 1/8", a difference of 7 4/8". If going on just height, the women's net should be 2.5 inches higher, it seems to me, or does the difference in leaping ability more than make up the difference? Or maybe both nets need to be raised, in that both the men's and women's games are featuring taller and more athletic players.
Of course, the argument could be made that a higher net would even further advantage tall players over shorter players, but I'm not so sure. It can also be argued that a shorter net advantages the taller player, who's able to hit down at a steeper angle. It also makes it easier to hit the ball at an angle (a cross-court spike, for instance), without the ball skipping off the tape and out of bounds. The argument could be made that a higher net could lead to longer rallies, putting more of a stress on back-row defense.
So, what do you think would be the impact of raising the net height for women by 2.5"? Do you think raising the height of the net would be worth looking at? Would you be in favor of it or opposed to it? Strongly or weakly?
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Post by bumpnfly on Feb 22, 2011 12:05:31 GMT -5
I have always wondered why basketball doesn't change with the level/age of the players. It is so odd to me that middle school kids are playing on a court the same size as NBA and with the same net height! Just odd to me. It could be my ignorance of the game but when I watch NBA games it is "cake" for them - what exactly is the challenge for a 7"+ man shooting a free throw?
Not that one sport should dictate another but why would the net for volleyball be raised because the players are taller now? So I guess I am not in favor of the net being raised. And after sorting it out a bit - the game is so much fun to watch at the higher levels when all the stuggles are gone of the younger teams learning to pass and simply hitting over the net with some sort of skill.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 22, 2011 12:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by ESTRELLA on Feb 22, 2011 12:16:29 GMT -5
The average male height is about 5'9" and the average female height about 5'4", for a difference of about 5", but the net height for men is 7'11 5/8" and for women 7'4 1/8", a difference of 7 4/8". If going on just height, the women's net should be 2.5 inches higher, it seems to me, or does the difference in leaping ability more than make up the difference? Or maybe both nets need to be raised, in that both the men's and women's games are featuring taller and more athletic players. Of course, the argument could be made that a higher net would even further advantage tall players over shorter players, but I'm not so sure. It can also be argued that a shorter net advantages the taller player, who's able to hit down at a steeper angle. It also makes it easier to hit the ball at an angle (a cross-court spike, for instance), without the ball skipping off the tape and out of bounds. The argument could be made that a higher net could lead to longer rallies, putting more of a stress on back-row defense. So, what do you think would be the impact of raising the net height for women by 2.5"? Do you think raising the height of the net would be worth looking at? Would you be in favor of it or opposed to it? Strongly or weakly? Raise the net and you will see that being big is ok.....but yoy need to learn how to hit around...vs over. Estrella  |
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Post by stillcrazy on Feb 22, 2011 12:18:38 GMT -5
A number of youth BB programs do have lower baskets. The cost of adjustable backboards is considerably higher than adjustable net poles.
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Post by BearClause on Feb 22, 2011 12:20:34 GMT -5
Having seen men's volleyball - even at the club level it's a far more "vertical" game than most women's NCAA D-I. If anything, perhaps the men's net height needs to be raised.
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Post by BearClause on Feb 22, 2011 12:22:47 GMT -5
A number of youth BB programs do have lower baskets. The cost of adjustable backboards is considerably higher than adjustable net poles. At the youth level, I remember nets being set up on poles attached to cement-filled tires, and with the nets loosely held to metal eyelets with clasps. These fixtures were shared with several sports, including volleyball and badminton, via moving the net to eyelets at different heights. |
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Post by pepperpop on Feb 22, 2011 12:36:31 GMT -5
if you consider both height and vertical jump you will conclude that the 7 1/2" difference in the height of the men's net versus women's is not nearly enough to "equalize" the two games.
i found it interesting to look at the history of volleyball net height and compare the sport to basketball. the official volleyball net height has been changed a couple of times since the sport was invented, as i recall, with the lower women's net being introduced in the '30's. by contrast, the height of a basketball net has always been 10', with no accommodation being made for the women's game. both sports were invented in the late 1800's.
anyone know why?
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Post by HUSKER FAITHFUL on Feb 22, 2011 12:47:38 GMT -5
I have always wondered why basketball doesn't change with the level/age of the players. It is so odd to me that middle school kids are playing on a court the same size as NBA and with the same net height! Just odd to me. It could be my ignorance of the game but when I watch NBA games it is "cake" for them - what exactly is the challenge for a 7"+ man shooting a free throw? Not that one sport should dictate another but why would the net for volleyball be raised because the players are taller now? So I guess I am not in favor of the net being raised. And after sorting it out a bit - the game is so much fun to watch at the higher levels when all the stuggles are gone of the younger teams learning to pass and simply hitting over the net with some sort of skill. Have you looked at the free throw shooting percentages of some of these 7' men? It's ridiculous how sorry it is! I could walk out right now and without warm up shoot 80% from the foul line. Very few college or NBA players could do that even with a warm up. I am for leaving the net where it is or if anything, raising it for men. There aren't too many 6'3'' women playing volleyball who have the same vertical leap as a 6'3'' male vb player and I would bet the average difference in their respective vertical leap is greater than the difference in net height. The current differences in net height I think are more reflective of that fact than simply the average height difference in men and women in general. Am I making sense? Oh well. I am sure I will find out soon enough  |
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Post by ESTRELLA on Feb 22, 2011 12:53:54 GMT -5
I have always wondered why basketball doesn't change with the level/age of the players. It is so odd to me that middle school kids are playing on a court the same size as NBA and with the same net height! Just odd to me. It could be my ignorance of the game but when I watch NBA games it is "cake" for them - what exactly is the challenge for a 7"+ man shooting a free throw? Not that one sport should dictate another but why would the net for volleyball be raised because the players are taller now? So I guess I am not in favor of the net being raised. And after sorting it out a bit - the game is so much fun to watch at the higher levels when all the stuggles are gone of the younger teams learning to pass and simply hitting over the net with some sort of skill. Have you looked at the free throw shooting percentages of some of these 7' men? It's ridiculous how sorry it is! I could walk out right now and without warm up shoot 80% from the foul line. Very few college or NBA players could do that even with a warm up. I am for leaving the net where it is or if anything, raising it for men. There aren't too many 6'3'' women playing volleyball who have the same vertical leap as a 6'3'' male vb player and I would bet the average difference in their respective vertical leap is greater than the difference in net height. The current differences in net height I think are more reflective of that fact than simply the average height difference in men and women in general. Am I making sense? Oh well. I am sure I will find out soon enough Please remember that basketball is now called dunkball! |
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Post by dancingbear on Feb 22, 2011 13:06:15 GMT -5
The net heights are perfect where they are. The average 6'2'' guy can touch the top of the men's net. The average 5'9" women can touch the top of the women's net. Standing that is.
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Post by ptosh on Feb 22, 2011 13:09:14 GMT -5
I could walk out right now and without warm up shoot 80% from the foul line. Very few college or NBA players could do that even with a warm up. perhaps in your bedroom with the nerf ball or maybe even alone in your driveway - once. But in front of 15,000 screaming fans night in and night out? With or without warmup, I highly doubt it . Does it seem the boredom of the off-season and ensuing silly topics and posts are greater this year than in years past? |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 22, 2011 13:11:52 GMT -5
What does the free-throw percentage of 7-footers in basketball have to do with the height of volleyball nets? Absolutely nothing...
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Post by Semp12 on Feb 22, 2011 14:00:50 GMT -5
I could walk out right now and without warm up shoot 80% from the foul line. Very few college or NBA players could do that even with a warm up. perhaps in your bedroom with the nerf ball or maybe even alone in your driveway - once. But in front of 15,000 screaming fans night in and night out? With or without warmup, I highly doubt it . Does it seem the boredom of the off-season and ensuing silly topics and posts are greater this year than in years past? Has he even shot a free throw in a huge arena before, it is quite a bit different. |
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Post by BearClause on Feb 22, 2011 14:45:35 GMT -5
Have you looked at the free throw shooting percentages of some of these 7' men? It's ridiculous how sorry it is! I could walk out right now and without warm up shoot 80% from the foul line. Very few college or NBA players could do that even with a warm up. I dunno. Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Rik Smits, Yao Ming, and Dominique Wilkins were pretty good at the line. There was nothing inherent in being tall that should prevent good free-throw numbers. If you're talking about Shaq, he's broke his wrists as a kid and can't get a consistent wrist action on the ball. That's why his effective range is like 5 feet. I've heard Rick Barry offering to teach Shaq his technique (which uses no wrist action) but I guess he doesn't want to try it out. |
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