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Post by baywatcher on Aug 20, 2011 17:51:14 GMT -5
Don't care about comments, but happy the article is here so when I hear about the great libero for Illinois named Beltran, I won't be going "What happened to Bonilla, is she injured?". So thanks. Nice story, if I have to take a side.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 20, 2011 18:21:26 GMT -5
I think her name change was fodder earlier in the season, with people guessing that she'd gotten married.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Aug 20, 2011 20:53:48 GMT -5
When I first saw it I thought it said "Jon Beltran"
It made me curious...
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Post by jagdpanther on Aug 20, 2011 21:39:56 GMT -5
I like where this thread is going...
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 20, 2011 22:19:07 GMT -5
Wow! That was a wonderful story! It sound like that she appreciate everything that her adopted parent did for her,eventho she mention that she still has a relationship with her real mother, but for jsn112 to make a comment that it sucks which is on call for, well this one for you js112 you suck! and for you zomofo to say that this disgust you, well you disgust me! If you guys can't be happy for her and the decision that she made,oh well! keep your sorry ass comment to yourself!If you can't say anything positive don't say anything at all! you are talking about a teenager. Jennifer felt strongly about her decision that she made, then support her. Why should I care only for Jen? Why should I support her for anything? I don't know her. I am looking at this as a whole picture. So we have Jen's story, Beltran's story; but what about Jen's mother, Antonia? Is Antonia an afterthought? If Antonia did something horrendous, then I can understand. But that's not the case. Antonia's story is that she emigrated to the US and worked as a housekeeper for a better life, and then her husband walked out on her. Now, her only daughter wants to change her family name. Maybe, just maybe, the only way I can understand her decision is that she hates her father for walking out on her mother and now she wants to change her last name from her father. That I could understand. But it does not say that in the story, and I don't want to assume. So I am taking the story at face value. So, get over it. Not all decision is a good decision no matter how strongly it seems, especially a teenager. If you think Jen's decision is a good decision, let's how you would feel if one or all of your kids came to you one day and say they want to change their last name to someone's else family that has nothing to do with marriage. Then perhaps you can come back to VT and tell the rest of us that that is the most touching story of your life. NOT!
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Post by smiley on Aug 21, 2011 0:15:13 GMT -5
You're looking at the whole story? You're assuming the mother did no wrong. You're assuming it was a quick decision. You're assuming Jen made the decision for selfish reasons. You're assuming she's doing this to spite her mother. You're assuming her mother disagrees with it. You're assuming it's a bad decision because YOU don't like it.
If my adult child came and said she wanted to just change her name I'd certainly ask her why? But you know what? She's an adult and it's her life to live not mine. I might not like it but then there's lots of things I don't like.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 21, 2011 0:52:29 GMT -5
You're looking at the whole story? You're assuming the mother did no wrong. You're assuming it was a quick decision. You're assuming Jen made the decision for selfish reasons. You're assuming she's doing this to spite her mother. You're assuming her mother disagrees with it. You're assuming it's a bad decision because YOU don't like it. If my adult child came and said she wanted to just change her name I'd certainly ask her why? But you know what? She's an adult and it's her life to live not mine. I might not like it but then there's lots of things I don't like. I didn't assume anything. Read my response again where I said I was taking the story at FACE VALUE. All Jen said was she wanted to change her last name to Beltran due to her liking Mr. Beltran since she was very young and she thought about doing it for awhile. Is it also because it is due to Mr. Beltran leading her to volleyball, according to the article? Where was the mother's story? Now you are the one who is assuming by posing all of your aforementioned assumptions, especially about her mother being wrong, bad, or something. The reason I don't like it because her mother is made out to be a bad guy per se. This story sounds like a little girl has had an infatuation with an adult but never grew out of it. It sounds like you have decided to put your assumption in there already after reading the story. And all I asked is, "Is her biological mother an afterthought in all of these years? What did her biological mother do to be an afterthought?" The article didn't say, so I am not assuming anything, whether it is this or that. Upholding a family name is an honorable thing. If you don't believe me, wanna try Rockefeller, Trump, Mellon, Hilton, etc. for size? Sure, this may not be that of the famous last names, but I can assure you that for a lot of people it means something. Otherwise, Jen wouldn't change her last name and the Beltrans wouldn't feel "honored." Besides, you mentioned your daughter changing her last name as an adult...but she will change her last name when she is married anyway. So maybe that's why you're not attached not make a big deal. But this is different. This is Jen picking sides and family. Sounds like Jen's family is the Beltrans regardless of her changing the last name. Changing her last name is just making it official. A lot of people here are praising Jen's story for her decision because it's "her" decision. But do you know what is a better story for Jen? A better story would be by including her biological mother in this feel good story with the Beltrans. I guess you and some others don't get it.
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Post by smiley on Aug 21, 2011 2:16:47 GMT -5
First the story is about Jen not her mother. Where did the author or I say she was in the wrong? I said you ASSUMED she wasn't. The story said she talked it over with her mother and she understood. The story said she is getting back closer with her mother. The story says she considers her mother as family. The worst thing the story said about her mother was that the two grew distant earlier this year but are closer now. And where does Jen put down the Bonilla name? Her mother was included in the story a number of times. Did you READ it or just skim it.
AND DON'T YOU DARE THINK YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 21, 2011 2:40:08 GMT -5
First the story is about Jen not her mother. Where did the author or I say she was in the wrong? I said you ASSUMED she wasn't. The story said she talked it over with her mother and she understood. The story said she is getting back closer with her mother. The story says she considers her mother as family. The worst thing the story said about her mother was that the two grew distant earlier this year but are closer now. And where does Jen put down the Bonilla name? Her mother was included in the story a number of times. Did you READ it or just skim it. AND DON'T YOU DARE THINK YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!! Touche. You're the one who brought up your daughter. And here I thought you're so understanding from your objectionable response. But then, Jen is not your daughter to worry about, right? But you still don't get it. May your family be blessed.
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Post by smiley on Aug 21, 2011 2:50:48 GMT -5
Wow! That was a wonderful story! It sound like that she appreciate everything that her adopted parent did for her,eventho she mention that she still has a relationship with her real mother, but for jsn112 to make a comment that it sucks which is on call for, well this one for you js112 you suck! and for you zomofo to say that this disgust you, well you disgust me! If you guys can't be happy for her and the decision that she made,oh well! keep your sorry ass comment to yourself!If you can't say anything positive don't say anything at all! you are talking about a teenager. Jennifer felt strongly about her decision that she made, then support her. Why should I care only for Jen? Why should I support her for anything? I don't know her. I am looking at this as a whole picture. So we have Jen's story, Beltran's story; but what about Jen's mother, Antonia? Is Antonia an afterthought? If Antonia did something horrendous, then I can understand. But that's not the case. Antonia's story is that she emigrated to the US and worked as a housekeeper for a better life, and then her husband walked out on her. Now, her only daughter wants to change her family name. Maybe, just maybe, the only way I can understand her decision is that she hates her father for walking out on her mother and now she wants to change her last name from her father. That I could understand. But it does not say that in the story, and I don't want to assume. So I am taking the story at face value. So, get over it. Not all decision is a good decision no matter how strongly it seems, especially a teenager. If you think Jen's decision is a good decision, let's how you would feel if one or all of your kids came to you one day and say they want to change their last name to someone's else family that has nothing to do with marriage. Then perhaps you can come back to VT and tell the rest of us that that is the most touching story of your life. NOT! Read the last paragraph where YOU brought up my daughter. I wouldn't have much problem with your posts if you just stated it was your OPINION you thought her mother was slighted. Even though the story wasn't about her. I wouldn't agree but everyone has a right to their opinion. But no you go all moral high ground and state your view is FACT even though the story doesn't back you up. Now you tell me you didn't say something when it's higher on the SAME PAGE. You no when NOBODY agrees with you just maybe you're wrong.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 21, 2011 2:52:42 GMT -5
I am done with this topic. Go have a blast without me responding from on out.
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Post by smiley on Aug 21, 2011 2:58:03 GMT -5
OK. Good night.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 21, 2011 2:58:37 GMT -5
Why should I care only for Jen? Why should I support her for anything? I don't know her. I am looking at this as a whole picture. So we have Jen's story, Beltran's story; but what about Jen's mother, Antonia? Is Antonia an afterthought? If Antonia did something horrendous, then I can understand. But that's not the case. Antonia's story is that she emigrated to the US and worked as a housekeeper for a better life, and then her husband walked out on her. Now, her only daughter wants to change her family name. Maybe, just maybe, the only way I can understand her decision is that she hates her father for walking out on her mother and now she wants to change her last name from her father. That I could understand. But it does not say that in the story, and I don't want to assume. So I am taking the story at face value. So, get over it. Not all decision is a good decision no matter how strongly it seems, especially a teenager. If you think Jen's decision is a good decision, let's how you would feel if one or all of your kids came to you one day and say they want to change their last name to someone's else family that has nothing to do with marriage. Then perhaps you can come back to VT and tell the rest of us that that is the most touching story of your life. NOT! Read the last paragraph where YOU brought up my daughter.I wouldn't have much problem with your posts if you just stated it was your OPINION you thought her mother was slighted. Even though the story wasn't about her. I wouldn't agree but everyone has a right to their opinion. But no you go all moral high ground and state your view is FACT even though the story doesn't back you up. Now you tell me you didn't say something when it's higher on the SAME PAGE. You no when NOBODY agrees with you just maybe you're wrong. You're looking at the whole story? You're assuming the mother did no wrong. You're assuming it was a quick decision. You're assuming Jen made the decision for selfish reasons. You're assuming she's doing this to spite her mother. You're assuming her mother disagrees with it. You're assuming it's a bad decision because YOU don't like it. If my adult child came and said she wanted to just change her name I'd certainly ask her why? But you know what? She's an adult and it's her life to live not mine. I might not like it but then there's lots of things I don't like.
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Post by smiley on Aug 21, 2011 3:33:43 GMT -5
So much for being done with the topic.
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Post by uclafanny on Aug 21, 2011 11:32:38 GMT -5
Way to go smiley! This people think they can come on vt and isult these young ladies that they don't even know and make rude comments when all they want to do is play volleyball and have fun. It irks me when I read a thread and somebody makes a rude negative comment about a player.
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