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Post by kungfupanda on May 21, 2012 16:25:58 GMT -5
"From what I know the reason he couldn't get it done is because of the terrible lack of funding. He had one full time assistant, I think all the other programs have 2. He had zero recruiting budget and had to go out of his own pocket for things. The question is how could you win in that time of situation. The school is gorgeous and in an amazing location- they should be at least .500. With as bad as they were that is telling me there were other problems that were out of control for the coaching staff. Good luck to Jody. Hope he can find some where other than a sweat shop." my two cents: - 1 full time assistant - beats 0, definitely not as good as 2. But having one to take some of the workload makes the situation winnable (maybe not the top of the conference, but winnable). - if the school is gorgeous in an amazing location, IMHO, it makes it even easier to recruit to. You don't need a big budget to recruit when you live in a great area. It's easier, but not necessary. You use all the online recruiting services that are out there, invite kids to come see what you've got and go from there - pretty easy formula actually. - the recruiting budget can't be too bad - he's got five International kids on the roster....you can't bring in internationals without full rides (ok, maybe the young lady from Canada is the exception) - So, if these are the factors involved, clearly there are things we don't know about...i.e. administrators that stand in the way, facilities that are untenable - definitely things we can't see on the suface - Wish Jody the best of luck in finding a new gig - there are still a few out there - clearly he was able to win at one point in his career, odds are he needs the right fit to be able to do so again. My nickel: 1. Yes 1 beats having 0, but when you are in a conference where you have the same workload as schools that have a full staff then it does matter. You can't say well at least he has one, he should have one in that conference, that is expected. It is just as expected as it is to have the head coach be full time. 2.Have you seen the kids that are on the recruiting services? no disrespect but the top good talent isn't on the recruiting services, it is out at the tournaments being seen by the coaches. You have to go out on the road to see the talent to invite them to come on campus. If it was as easy as look at the recruiting services and invite them then don't you think that all the schools would just do that? 3. I don't think he is going to watch the international kids, those are the ones that he uses the recruiting services for. If you are going to use a recruiting service, why not get better international kids? 4. I don't think you have coached college to understand what a very limited recruiting budget can do to your program. You can't go to many big tournaments, you can't by the needed software to look at kids, and etc. |
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Post by teamster on May 21, 2012 16:58:33 GMT -5
FAU job is down to two finalists. Both are Mangoes................ There is a Banana in the mix as a finalist. Great resume and international connections |
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Post by donneyp on May 21, 2012 17:02:29 GMT -5
About FAU. I interviewed for that assistant job a few years back and as much as I loved the campus and Coach Brown, the salary was not workable given the cost of living in that area. What's more just to interview they paid one way on the airfare, no return trip, no hotel, which narrows your hiring pool from the start. If memory serves you need to look back a ways to find an assistant there who had prior college coaching experience.
Another problem was that the athletic director made it plain in the interview that he had a problem with Coach Brown. Actually, when the the AD was fired in March I congratulated Coach for outlasting him and I thought that would clear the way for a better future for the program, and it might, but sadly he won't get the opportunity to be a part of it.
For recruiting, he said he couldn't afford the qualifiers, or even AAU's in Orlando. Even the year JO's were in Miami, an hour away, he was going for one day, at his own expense, no university athlete. With scholarships he'd play the same games D2 schools did. The team took vans on most trips, which is beneath much of D3 these days.
Not all jobs are created equal and hopefully Coach Brown gets a chance to coach elsewhere if he chooses too.
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Post by modestodave on May 21, 2012 18:08:07 GMT -5
FAU job is down to two finalists. Both are Mangoes................ There is a Banana in the mix as a finalist. Great resume and international connections nope only two finalists and both are Mangoes.......... |
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Post by westbysouthandne on May 21, 2012 18:18:10 GMT -5
My nickel:
1. Yes 1 beats having 0, but when you are in a conference where you have the same workload as schools that have a full staff then it does matter. You can't say well at least he has one, he should have one in that conference, that is expected. It is just as expected as it is to have the head coach be full time.[/u]
It's no fun having to do it, but I've worked on 'short' staffs for a major part of my college coaching career - if you plan well, it's amazing what you can accomplish by working the phones and with email. Again, not ideal, but completely doable.
2.Have you seen the kids that are on the recruiting services? no disrespect but the top good talent isn't on the recruiting services, it is out at the tournaments being seen by the coaches. You have to go out on the road to see the talent to invite them to come on campus. If it was as easy as look at the recruiting services and invite them then don't you think that all the schools would just do that?
I have seen the kids on the recruiting services - and yes, there's not a lot of "top talent" if you define 'top talent' as that on schools 100-150 in Div. I. There are a ton of role playing kids on them, as well as quite a few 'diamonds in the rough'
Bottom line, if you don't have the budget, you have to be willing to out work people who have them.
Yes, you need to get out on the road to see kids play, but c'mon, you are in Boca Raton, not North Dakota. Get in your car, drive a little bit, the level of play in that region of the country is pretty darn high compared to a lot of other places. Heck, drive the 8 hours north to Atlanta and bring those kids down to the beach...Not ideal, but far from impossible.
3. I don't think he is going to watch the international kids, those are the ones that he uses the recruiting services for. If you are going to use a recruiting service, why not get better international kids?
No idea what the talent level of the kids are that he's pulling from international countries - agreed, if you are going to go foreign, then get IMPACT kids to go with the 'filler' kids you can pull from the other services. Once again, completely within the control of the person that's there.
4. I don't think you have coached college to understand what a very limited recruiting budget can do to your program. You can't go to many big tournaments, you can't by the needed software to look at kids, and etc.[/quote][/i][/u]
Actually, I've coached collegiately for over 10 years and I know all too intimately well what needs to be done with a small budget. Like I said, it takes a lot more time, effort and elbow grease to be competitive, but it's doable.
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Post by Not Me on May 21, 2012 18:38:16 GMT -5
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Post by Not Me on May 21, 2012 18:39:31 GMT -5
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Post by lonewolf on May 21, 2012 23:02:05 GMT -5
From what I know the reason he couldn't get it done is because of the terrible lack of funding. He had one full time assistant, I think all the other programs have 2. Very incorrect. Half of the teams in the Sun Belt had only 1 full time assistant last year. (Off the top of my head - Troy, ULM, USA, Ak. St., UALR, & FIU) |
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Post by lonewolf on May 22, 2012 0:01:55 GMT -5
Rumor has it a former Kougar coach is Flashing east.
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Post by kungfupanda on May 22, 2012 8:55:50 GMT -5
From what I know the reason he couldn't get it done is because of the terrible lack of funding. He had one full time assistant, I think all the other programs have 2. Very incorrect. Half of the teams in the Sun Belt had only 1 full time assistant last year. (Off the top of my head - Troy, ULM, USA, Ak. St., UALR, & FIU) I stand corrected! But I believe USA has 2 full time. Thanks for letting me know! |
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Post by lonewolf on May 22, 2012 9:24:04 GMT -5
Very incorrect. Half of the teams in the Sun Belt had only 1 full time assistant last year. (Off the top of my head - Troy, ULM, USA, Ak. St., UALR, & FIU) I stand corrected! But I believe USA has 2 full time. Thanks for letting me know! USA has 1 Full time, 1 GA |
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Post by leftymike on May 22, 2012 9:41:14 GMT -5
Having only 1 full-time assistant vs 2 is not a reason to "not get it done"...especially at a big school in a great climate. Having no recruiting budget, however, is another story.
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Post by kungfupanda on May 22, 2012 10:06:14 GMT -5
I stand corrected! But I believe USA has 2 full time. Thanks for letting me know! USA has 1 Full time, 1 GA Man I am 0-2 today! I need to wake up! |
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Post by bigearsvb on May 22, 2012 10:59:01 GMT -5
USA has 1 Full time, 1 GA Man I am 0-2 today! I need to wake up! I hear what you're saying about a lack of a recruiting budget; however, I think most of us rise to the occasion in spite of that most of the time. I've worked at a few different levels, but as a D1 assistant - it was expected that I would work club in order to make it to 2-3 qualifiers. I will have to fact check, but I don't think Coach Brown coached any club to make up for such lack of funding in the past 4-5 years. I think at some point, you find a way to make it happen. I think there was a lack of effort somewhere. |
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Post by westbysouthandne on May 22, 2012 11:51:06 GMT -5
that's exactly my point. While I feel for anyone that loses a job in the coaching world - I feel much less empathy for people who've been around long enough to know better. Effort will take you a long way - not all the way, but a long way. In the end, if you want to 'get it done' you figure it out, otherwise step away and let someone else give it a shot.
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