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Post by jayj79 on Oct 23, 2011 7:33:21 GMT -5
A few years ago my cousin showed me some photos of her trip to one of these exotic animal "sanctuaries". It wasn't this one in Ohio, but some place in California. She and her husband had photos taken next to uncaged and unsecured tigers, lions, and other exotic animals. I think there might have been a perimeter fence, but there was nothing keeping the animals from lashing out at visitors if they were so inclined. I don't have a problem with that. If someone is dumb enough to get within swiping distance of a dangerous animal's enclosure, then they deserve what they get. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 4:53:52 GMT -5
Hey look - a bengal tiger eating a domesticated horse... lets watch and wait to see if it attacks anything else while the zoo keepers get here! LOL! I can't believe all these people on the internet jumping all over the police. What are they suppose to do with over 50 wild animals on the loose? Get professionals to handle the situation? People capable of humanely capturing the animals and bringing them back into captivity, perhaps? This was a rural area, not Manhattan. Residents were warned to stay indoors and to keep all pets inside. Don't act like the animals were bloodthirsty beasts only looking for human flesh... Wild animals want to be left alone. They're not going to seek out humans. They stay away from civilized areas, if anything. There was NO need to kill this many animals, ESPECIALLY animals who are on the endangered species list. Truth of the matter: the police in Zanesville had no idea how to handle a situation like this. They weren't prepared whatsoever. Therefore, they handled it the only way they knew how - shoot. Destroy the unknown. Kill those that disrupt the peace. These hick cops didn't act appropriately and those who support their actions are just as ignorant as they are. |
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Post by sevb on Oct 24, 2011 10:18:55 GMT -5
You're a fool!
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Post by Not Me on Oct 24, 2011 14:46:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 1:57:34 GMT -5
K. Great discussion. Intelligent point of view, buddy.
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Post by sevb on Oct 25, 2011 10:08:16 GMT -5
K. Great discussion. Intelligent point of view, buddy. Discussion? By your previous post I just assumed we were judging others and name calling... I just chose to do it short hand... |
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Post by BearClause on Oct 25, 2011 10:16:17 GMT -5
LOL! I can't believe all these people on the internet jumping all over the police. What are they suppose to do with over 50 wild animals on the loose? Get professionals to handle the situation? People capable of humanely capturing the animals and bringing them back into captivity, perhaps? This was a rural area, not Manhattan. Residents were warned to stay indoors and to keep all pets inside. Don't act like the animals were bloodthirsty beasts only looking for human flesh... Wild animals want to be left alone. They're not going to seek out humans. They stay away from civilized areas, if anything. There was NO need to kill this many animals, ESPECIALLY animals who are on the endangered species list. Truth of the matter: the police in Zanesville had no idea how to handle a situation like this. They weren't prepared whatsoever. Therefore, they handled it the only way they knew how - shoot. Destroy the unknown. Kill those that disrupt the peace. These hick cops didn't act appropriately and those who support their actions are just as ignorant as they are. You're making a lot of assumptions that just aren't true. First of all, these weren't wild animals. They were exotic animals in captivity. They're used to being around humans to some degree, and may in fact seek humans. They also found bite marks on the farm owner that appeared to be from a big cat, so don't give me any line that they would have been harmless. The ones that turned out to pose no danger were the grizzly bear and the leopards that didn't leave their cages. Who receives the kind of training you suggested? Trained people from the Columbus Zoo were there, and one person even tried to tranquilize a tiger at very high risk to her own safety. Some of these exotic animals had been stalking local farm animals. They were chasing down horses. One of the big cats probably ate one of the monkeys. It's not some Lion Kong fantasy world where animals get along peacefully. They were reportedly hungry and weren't too particular about what they ate. It may have been "rural", but the area just three miles from where I live is considered rural. We have cows grazing less than two miles from Berkeley. Zanesville has a population of 25,000 and was about two miles away from the farm. The farm was right on the edge of I-70. On a map there's a McDonald's, an A&W, and a motel less than a mile away. There are single-family residential areas less than a half mile away. There are several schools near this area. You have a population of at least 30,000 people within five miles of the farm. Here's a map of the place. Tell me how rural it is with all that housing. maps.google.com/maps?q=39.946677,-82.062552&ll=39.953833,-82.053623&spn=0.067637,0.131493&t=h&z=13&vpsrc=6 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 11:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Oct 28, 2011 18:24:14 GMT -5
The wife of the guy who died actually tried to get back all the animals that weren't killed, like a griz and a couple of leopards who never left their cages. She was told NO. I wonder why?
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Post by pineapple on Nov 1, 2011 10:08:34 GMT -5
Sheriff: 56 exotic animals escaped from farm near Zanesville; 49 killed by authoritiesAnimal farm owner released the animals, then killed himself www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/10/18/Wild-animals-loose-in-Muskingum-County.htmlQuite a menagerie the guy had. 18 tigers? Mountain lions. African lions. Black bears. Grizzly bears. If I were the deputies trying to put down these animals, I'd be completely freaked out. This makes the Christmas Day tiger escape at the San Francisco Zoo look like nothing. Shoots! I was wanting to see how the African lion do against the honey badger. |
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Post by sevb on Nov 1, 2011 11:42:48 GMT -5
haha - the honey badger wouldn't give a s&%t either way!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 1:03:14 GMT -5
Get professionals to handle the situation? People capable of humanely capturing the animals and bringing them back into captivity, perhaps? This was a rural area, not Manhattan. Residents were warned to stay indoors and to keep all pets inside. Don't act like the animals were bloodthirsty beasts only looking for human flesh... Wild animals want to be left alone. They're not going to seek out humans. They stay away from civilized areas, if anything. There was NO need to kill this many animals, ESPECIALLY animals who are on the endangered species list. Truth of the matter: the police in Zanesville had no idea how to handle a situation like this. They weren't prepared whatsoever. Therefore, they handled it the only way they knew how - shoot. Destroy the unknown. Kill those that disrupt the peace. These hick cops didn't act appropriately and those who support their actions are just as ignorant as they are. They also found bite marks on the farm owner that appeared to be from a big cat, so don't give me any line that they would have been harmless. That man was dead and was sporting a rather large (I assume) gunshot wound. The animals didn't kill this man. He was bleeding. Did you really expect carnivorous, hungry animals to ignore it? 1. I do not know who exactly receives that type of training. I assume zoo professionals? Wildlife biologists? I don't know, but if you're trying to tell me that NO ONE in Ohio knew how to handle a situation like this, you're insane. 2. At what point did the trained personnel arrive? After one animal was shot? After 20? After 40? Don't act like she was available at every animal encounter and never could help capture the beasts. 3. A tiger certainly would pose a very high risk to her safety, wouldn't it?? It was surrounded by people with guns! It was attacked! You expect a wild animal to respond politely to that sort of external stimulus? This tiger didn't seek out these people - it was hunted. Of course the tiger is going to respond less-than-positively... Duh. However, a trained professional should know how to handle this situation. If she didn't, she wasn't qualified to be in the situation. And, your last sentence kind of proves my entire argument: the PROFESSIONAL was trying to TRANQUILIZE the animal, not kill it. Hmm... Why would she do that when she just needed to shoot it like all of the police were doing? I wonder... Exactly - most of the animals were malnourished (according to the article). They would of course try to eat. This does not mean that they'll be looking for the nearest schoolyard to prey upon. They were eating animals, as we would expect a carnivorous animal in the wild to do. Wolves sometimes get onto farms and kill animals. Are you suggesting we shoot every wolf? This confuses me because no where in my post did I mention that the animals would "get along peacefully." Not too sure what point of mine you're arguing... Okay. Perhaps you and I have different definitions of rural. Tell me, how many human fatalities because of the animals? How many? Zero? Oh. Okay. The animals had time to kill several farm animals (and probably a few wild animals), but no humans were attacked in this time frame? Even in this decently-populated area (according to you)? Interesting... If a pack of 10-12 wolves from a local zoo escaped, is it appropriate for police to shoot them all dead, too? They eat meat, would certainly hunt, and are definitely capable of tearing a man apart just as well as a lion or tiger could. Should they all be killed? Hell, why even have wolves at all? Using your logic, they should all be exterminated. I'm sure there are a couple of coyotes in the woods around Zanesville. Perhaps the sheriff should run out there with his shotgun and get them, too. After all, there are several schools near this area. And we know how wolves and coyotes like to hunt people. Oh wait. They don't. And neither do lions, tigers, and bears. |
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Post by sevb on Nov 2, 2011 13:00:20 GMT -5
Whatever you say AA...
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Post by BearClause on Nov 2, 2011 23:59:23 GMT -5
They also found bite marks on the farm owner that appeared to be from a big cat, so don't give me any line that they would have been harmless. That man was dead and was sporting a rather large (I assume) gunshot wound. The animals didn't kill this man. He was bleeding. Did you really expect carnivorous, hungry animals to ignore it? The animals that didn't leave their cages sure did. Others actually bolted outside looking for something to hunt. 1. I do not know who exactly receives that type of training. I assume zoo professionals? Wildlife biologists? I don't know, but if you're trying to tell me that NO ONE in Ohio knew how to handle a situation like this, you're insane. 2. At what point did the trained personnel arrive? After one animal was shot? After 20? After 40? Don't act like she was available at every animal encounter and never could help capture the beasts. 3. A tiger certainly would pose a very high risk to her safety, wouldn't it?? It was surrounded by people with guns! It was attacked! You expect a wild animal to respond politely to that sort of external stimulus? This tiger didn't seek out these people - it was hunted. Of course the tiger is going to respond less-than-positively... Duh. However, a trained professional should know how to handle this situation. If she didn't, she wasn't qualified to be in the situation. And, your last sentence kind of proves my entire argument: the PROFESSIONAL was trying to TRANQUILIZE the animal, not kill it. Hmm... Why would she do that when she just needed to shoot it like all of the police were doing? I wonder... Frankly I'd expect minimal training and probably no experience by anyone they could bring in on short notice. Most dangerous zoo animals are sedated using a stick. You try shooting one with a dart and it's going to be unpredictable. No amount of training is going to mean that a trained vet with a tranq gun can put down an unknown tiger on short notice without a risk that it will get agitated. You also expect that dozens of exotic animals on the loose is something that anyone is trained to handle? A wildlife biologist might be going after a single animal with tons of prep time to figure out how to dose the sedatives and find the ideal point to shoot. They've got one shot, after which they'll need to prep again. They hope they hit muscle and not bone or fat. I've heard of darted animals that died when a major artery was hit. It's not exactly a great tool to have when there are dozens of escaped animals, especially female lions that typically hunt in groups. Exactly - most of the animals were malnourished (according to the article). They would of course try to eat. This does not mean that they'll be looking for the nearest schoolyard to prey upon. They were eating animals, as we would expect a carnivorous animal in the wild to do. Wolves sometimes get onto farms and kill animals. Are you suggesting we shoot every wolf? That's a situation that can be taken on an individual basis. We're not talking about a chaotic escape situation. In fact, wolves can be killed in the US if a depredation permit has been obtained. This confuses me because no where in my post did I mention that the animals would "get along peacefully." Not too sure what point of mine you're arguing... Okay. Perhaps you and I have different definitions of rural. Tell me, how many human fatalities because of the animals? How many? Zero? Oh. Okay. The animals had time to kill several farm animals (and probably a few wild animals), but no humans were attacked in this time frame? Even in this decently-populated area (according to you)? Interesting... If a pack of 10-12 wolves from a local zoo escaped, is it appropriate for police to shoot them all dead, too? They eat meat, would certainly hunt, and are definitely capable of tearing a man apart just as well as a lion or tiger could. Should they all be killed? Hell, why even have wolves at all? Using your logic, they should all be exterminated. I'm sure there are a couple of coyotes in the woods around Zanesville. Perhaps the sheriff should run out there with his shotgun and get them, too. After all, there are several schools near this area. And we know how wolves and coyotes like to hunt people. Oh wait. They don't. And neither do lions, tigers, and bears. Yeah it's a farm. It's a farm on the edge of a highway and close to a reasonably sized city - one that the animals could travel to in a less than an hour. I also partially attribute the lack of human casualties to the time of day and the quick action by local law enforcement. While there were a few wolves, they were mostly freaked out about the truly exotic animals. Animals that weren't used to being away from their farm. They easily had the potential to cause serious mayhem including vehicle accidents and possible human predation. Frankly I'm not that worried about black bears, but I wouldn't expect a local sheriff's department to know that they shouldn't worry too much about them. I'm not all that concerned about wolves. I've never heard of a documented fatality from a wolf in North America. If given the chance, they'd probably take down something on four legs. What I would worry about would be the tigers and lions. There have been dozens of incidents in the US in the last decade where a person was injured by an escaped lion or tiger. The most infamous would have to be the 2007 San Francisco Zoo incident on Christmas Day. I think this was a horrible situation and one that nobody came in hoping to shoot up exotic animals like it was some video game. However - I don't for once think that saving the animals had a higher priority than protecting people. These species had not only the ability to kill people but a history of doing so when escaped from captivity. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 3, 2011 0:48:31 GMT -5
Maybe we should have just sent AA#11 in to catch them humanely, one at a time.
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