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Post by ersatzhusker on Oct 24, 2011 20:17:12 GMT -5
FYI-Walch decommited soon after her big sis transfered from Wisconsin to Fla St. where Nicole will join her. Keep up!  Yeah, missed that one. Thanks, I'll update my commit doc for UNL. |
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Post by Guest on Oct 24, 2011 20:21:18 GMT -5
Um that picture does nothing but prove my point. Look how low her contact point is. The fact that she's contacting Dorn's hand at all is exactly what's wrong with her attacking. She goes for straight down kills instead of high contact. She's physical enough to be a formidable attacker at times (as I already stated), but a physical blocking team with a good scheme and execution will eat her alive as an attacker. By no means am I "dissing" her. Werth plays a huge role for the Huskers, but it is not due to her attacking. Any attacking she brings to the table is a bonus for them. John Cook has stated things like this himself saying that people don't really understand her as a player because her strengths are in her defense and serve receive and she doesn't necessarily always get great hitting numbers. There is no such thing as a perfect player, and every single player has an area of their game that is their biggest weakness. For Hannah Werth, it's her attacking fundamentals. For as physically imposing as she is, there is no way her hitting would be as inconsistent as it's been if she had a sound approach to attacking. Even against Illinois, in terms of her attacking, her success had more to do with the fact that she was physically overwhelming the blockers and defenders and less to do with any sort of shot selection or plans to avoid the block. Before she got the goggles back thus year, her timing was off. Since she's got them back her timing has improved immensely, and the numbers show it. The next step for her is to learn to swing at a higher contact point and develop some shot selection. I do think she's been showing signs lately of starting to learn to do this, but she's not great at it yet. Whenever she takes a high swing to the corner she makes it really obvious and takes a lot more pace off of her swing than she needs to. As she gets more comfortable with a higher contact point, her numbers will be even better than they have been lately.
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Post by FreeBall on Oct 24, 2011 20:21:43 GMT -5
(snip) Part of the reason why Nebraska will be scary good next year is because they are already very very good this year. Next year,Nebraska loses seniors who are not starters this year. In addition to their current underclass starters (several of which will be AA, no doubt per this thread), they get back two probably-would-be-starters-this-year (Allison McNeal and Taylor Simpson) . Even more, the incoming freshmen next season are Lauren Sieckman (5'10"), Nicole Walch: 6'3", Kelsey Fien (6'3) and Sheridan Zarda (5'6"). The cupboard is full for the Huskers next year. I wouldn't call either of these players "probably-would-be-starters-this-year". I think a healthy McNeal would have been the 4th MB behind Delano, Thramer and Wilberger. And, Simpson has shown nothing to indicate she should be starting ahead of Mancuso and Werth. Hopefully both will be fully healthy next year and able to provide quality depth at their positions. |
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Post by vballfreak808 on Oct 24, 2011 20:30:12 GMT -5
For Hawaii Danielson is a pretty much obvious First Team pick, Croson will probably make honorable mention, and Hewitt and Hartong will have at least one of them on the 2nd or 3rd team. Hope to see them there next year too along with Fonoimoana or Waber
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Post by lely on Oct 24, 2011 20:50:04 GMT -5
If Gina Mancuso is first team, Hannah Werth is first team.
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Post by ersatzhusker on Oct 24, 2011 21:13:51 GMT -5
Um that picture does nothing but prove my point. Look how low her contact point is. The fact that she's contacting Dorn's hand at all is exactly what's wrong with her attacking. She goes for straight down kills instead of high contact....blah, blah, blah. How can you possibly call that contact point in the picture LOW? It's off the top of her hand between her thumb and her first finger. That's why it's probably painful. Also, John Cook has said many times that they TRAIN that hit off the top of the hand. You must be blind. There's no arguing with someone who will not SEE. |
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Post by wtdoor on Oct 24, 2011 21:29:16 GMT -5
Granted Hartong is putting up solid numbers this year ( almost .400% hitting), but how will playing 3 positions affect her chances? Has anyone ever made AA with this kind of versatility, or is it a curse?.....
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Oct 24, 2011 21:36:15 GMT -5
If Gina Mancuso is first team, Hannah Werth is first team. No way. Mancuso > Werth. Oh, & no way Murphy isn't 1st team. Come on now. She's going to be a POY candidate. |
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 24, 2011 21:42:31 GMT -5
Nebraska is going to be scary good next year (they are already). You got that right buddy! I miss them in the Big 12. Next years extremely huge scary teams in my book: Nebraska Texas---we should have the #2 recruiting class with Mcage/Dalton and Neal PSU USC Stanford---this will be your #1 recruiting class Hawai'i--if Falyn plays with Hawai'i...watch out.. Dude, I know you and I were at the Nike Big Four this year, imagine next year with PSU, TEXAS and the new kids added to Stanford LOL...Florida will not know what hit em. And of course, my friends and I will be in Happy Valley! When dont you have the best or second best recruiting class? |
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 24, 2011 21:46:29 GMT -5
Um that picture does nothing but prove my point. Look how low her contact point is. The fact that she's contacting Dorn's hand at all is exactly what's wrong with her attacking. She goes for straight down kills instead of high contact....blah, blah, blah. How can you possibly call that contact point in the picture LOW? It's off the top of her hand between her thumb and her first finger. That's why it's probably painful. Also, John Cook has said many times that they TRAIN that hit off the top of the hand. You must be blind. There's no arguing with someone who will not SEE. Your also dealing with a camera angle, which can greatly distort how high above the net the ball/players can be, good and bad. High or not, Werth beat those two balls like a rented mule. |
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Post by Guest on Oct 24, 2011 22:48:55 GMT -5
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Post by holidayhusker on Oct 24, 2011 22:51:34 GMT -5
If Gina Mancuso is first team, Hannah Werth is first team. Mmmm...Gina has been more consistent. |
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Post by mplssetter on Oct 24, 2011 22:52:56 GMT -5
Tyler Henderson from Tulsa will likely find her way onto an AA team.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Oct 24, 2011 23:03:08 GMT -5
Gilles13
You keep referencing that one photo as if it's representative of every swing Hannah takes. Not only that, have you considered the option that the set was a tad low therefor giving her no option for a higher contact point?
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Post by Guest on Oct 24, 2011 23:18:09 GMT -5
Obviously one photo is not representative of every swing she takes, but after watching her for three years, you can't seriously think that she takes high swings on a consistent basis. It's been her MO since her freshman year to try and pound everything as straight down as she can. And BTW I just posted another photo proving my point. Anybody that knows about training or playing volleyball knows that hitting sharp angles and/or spots on the floor closer to the net requires a lower contact point. Conversely, finding the last 5 feet or so of the court requires a much higher contact point that is usually high enough to go over a block (provided the attackers attack reach is higher than the opposing blockers block reach. Hannah Werth touches high enough to swing over any block). How often have you seen Werth swing with healthy pace and hit the deep court? Almost never. How often did/does Larson find the deep court with pace? More or less every time she swings, unless there's a gaping hole in the block. How often when Werth scores off of a block does the ball go through the block? frequently. How often when Larson scores off of a block is the ball going off of the top of the block? frequently. In response to your question, if the set is that low with blockers in front of her (IE a trap set), then why is Werth swinging away at it? An attacker with a sound approach to attacking like Larson would know that swinging away at a trap set will likely result in a point for the opposing team, and would respond with a tip or roll shot. Besides, Anderson/Cook are great setters and frequently did/do put her in a position to take a high swing.
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