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Post by elevationvb on Apr 17, 2012 12:00:37 GMT -5
meanwhile we have 98,000 federal employees who own $1BL.+ in taxes. That's 98,000 employees owing $1,000,000,000+ in taxes. So let's sum it up Secret service employees with prostitutes while on the job; GSA employees Gone Wild in Vegas; & 98,000 federal employees owing $1Bl. in back taxes. And this probably just scratches the surface. No doubt most federal employees are good, decent workers, but there is plenty of waste. Let's begin by reducing the federal government's budget by the 20% increase voted by the democrats in 2010 with Obama's blessing. www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/politics/sen-brown-bill-targets-tax-scofflaws-in-congress-20120413 |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 17, 2012 12:57:16 GMT -5
In my area many government workers also work "the least amount of hours" compared to other professionals. This is because they keep getting involuntarily furloughed in order to deal with budget crises. They also keep getting their scheduled raises cancelled. All this, and they have to listen to people like Holiday continually attack them even as they work for him to provide the services he expects. All those GSA employees mocking us taxpayers in their funny videos sure looked stressed out. I was mostly talking about local/state employees. Holiday did specifically refer to people "in his area." However, I know some Federal employees and the ones I know also deal with these issues. It's hard to work hard for the benefit of a public that continually insults you and talks about how your job is useless and should be eliminated. |
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2012 13:05:35 GMT -5
Once again making statements that just aren't true (that no one is concerned about the lack of jobs and/or said so here). However, it sure sounds as if you are advocating that public employees with lousy pay and frequent furloughs should quit and clean rooms at local motels. Shouldn't you be happy that these people are able to find sem-decent employment (relative to none or cleaning rooms)? Decent employment that provides a service to the general public (which includes you)? I'm still trying to figure out if your reason for posting here is to make elevationvb look better. Because your arguments are weaker than his, and that's saying something. Not to mention how mean-spirited they are. Are you depressed, holidayhusker? I just don't get all the name-calling, given how much you whine about all the name-calling ... I have never been better but thanks for your concern. Lets stick to the debate. Is that possible for you? Mean spirited? I am amused .....again. I want the Federal budget balanced. I want the next generation to have a chance at a future and ALL OF US, are going to have to make sacrifices. What is mean about that? Advocating people that work for the government to quit and clean rooms at a motel? How on earth did you come to that conclusion? In this environment, a job is a job. The great thing about America is we have choices. If we are not happy with our situation then move on. Are you the type of guy who thinks America owes him a living? Pay Freezes? Would you rather the Federal Government and Companies go broke trying to indulge their employees. Oh wait.....the Federal Government is practically broke. |
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2012 13:12:09 GMT -5
All those GSA employees mocking us taxpayers in their funny videos sure looked stressed out. I was mostly talking about local/state employees. Holiday did specifically refer to people "in his area." However, I know some Federal employees and the ones I know also deal with these issues. It's hard to work hard for the benefit of a public that continually insults you and talks about how your job is useless and should be eliminated. More drama Garrison? Those poor poor Federal Employees that have holidays and most weekends off. That have a savings plan and excellent benefits. They are so picked on and abused by the ungrateful public. You can feel sorry for them until the cows come home Garrison. I do not. I would trade any of them any day straight across the board. I know thousands of people who would also. SUCK IT UP! |
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Post by Guest on Apr 17, 2012 13:16:41 GMT -5
I am referring to the way you talk to your fellow posters here.
How did I come to that conclusion? I read your posts:
1) Fed employees (whom you continually belittle) should go to work in the private sector if they are unhappy with how they are being compensated/treated
2) There are no jobs in the private sector (your college-educated examples cleaning motel rooms)
There's a definite disconnect here. Why do people resent employment in the public sector so much? Sure, there's waste and it should be dealt with. But let's not throw the babies out with the bathwater.
Am I the type of guy who thinks America owes me a living (another mean-spirited comment, by the way)? No. But I am the type of guy who thinks America -- private and public -- should pay a living wage to people who work. This isn't happening. I am also the type of guy who thinks a corporation's first priority should be its employees, not lining the pockets of its executives.
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Post by Guest on Apr 17, 2012 13:20:49 GMT -5
I would trade any of them any day straight across the board. I know thousands of people who would also. Nope. Not mean-spirited at all. You, sir, are focused on the wrong problem. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 17, 2012 13:32:59 GMT -5
I would trade any of them any day straight across the board. So why don't you? |
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2012 13:46:59 GMT -5
I am referring to the way you talk to your fellow posters here. How did I come to that conclusion? I read your posts: 1) Fed employees (whom you continually belittle) should go to work in the private sector if they are unhappy with how they are being compensated/treated 2) There are no jobs in the private sector (your college-educated examples cleaning motel rooms) There's a definite disconnect here. Why do people resent employment in the public sector so much? Sure, there's waste and it should be dealt with. But let's not throw the babies out with the bathwater. Am I the type of guy who thinks America owes me a living (another mean-spirited comment, by the way)? No. But I am the type of guy who thinks America -- private and public -- should pay a living wage to people who work. This isn't happening. I am also the type of guy who thinks a corporation's first priority should be its employees, not lining the pockets of its executives. Sometimes I can't believe I am responding to this but here I am trying again........ Belittling and toughness are not the same thing. You understand the difference? I did not say they were doing a bad job did I? If you think I did please find a statement I made to back that up. This debate is not personal. I certainly do not resent government workers. I do think the majority of them have excellent jobs. Do you want people to feel sorry for them? Truffle used the argument that government workers could make much more in the private sector. That is where my comment on the private sector came from. Jobs are tough to come by and friends that I know that are college graduates are cleaning rooms . I there shame in a hards days work? I think the majority of Americans are getting paid a living wage. The problem with Americans is that we are living way beyond our means. College graduates expect a new car and home right out of the chute. Thats not realistic. My parents when they were first married in the mid fifties, stayed in a four room house, budged very frugally, had used furniture , and wore hand me downs. Who does that now? |
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Post by Guest on Apr 17, 2012 14:08:56 GMT -5
Am I misunderstanding these statements?
"Government workers have some of the best benefits and wages. Perhaps its different in your area but government workers here are living very very well and working the lest amount of hours wit comparable professionals. I do not agree with your thoughts on quality workers at all."
"I would trade any of them any day straight across the board."
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2012 15:14:41 GMT -5
Am I misunderstanding these statements? "Government workers have some of the best benefits and wages. Perhaps its different in your area but government workers here are living very very well and working the lest amount of hours wit comparable professionals. I do not agree with your thoughts on quality workers at all." "I would trade any of them any day straight across the board." No..you are not. |
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2012 15:16:25 GMT -5
I would trade any of them any day straight across the board. So why don't you? Nothing available. Believe it or not.....here they highly prized. Hundreds of applicants per job. |
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2012 15:18:22 GMT -5
I would trade any of them any day straight across the board. I know thousands of people who would also. Nope. Not mean-spirited at all. You, sir, are focused on the wrong problem. Bartmen, you have issues. This is about as mean spirited as Mr. Rogers for crying out loud. I see more controversy on Sesame Street. |
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Post by Guest on Apr 17, 2012 15:28:10 GMT -5
Either I AM misunderstanding you or you are being obtuse here. Are you not saying you would trade any government employee any day for a non-government employee?
And why do you need to tell me I have issues? Again, how is that conducive to discussion? How is that not mean-spirited?
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2012 15:51:32 GMT -5
Either I AM misunderstanding you or you are being obtuse here. Are you not saying you would trade any government employee any day for a non-government employee? And why do you need to tell me I have issues? Again, how is that conducive to discussion? How is that not mean-spirited? Follow this closely. I would trade any government employee for their job. Not for a non government employee. Clear enough! |
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Post by elevationvb on Apr 17, 2012 18:01:22 GMT -5
This Steve Bartman guy sure has a very, very familiar posting style. I wonder what his views on religion are?
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