dusty
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Post by dusty on Nov 10, 2011 17:02:21 GMT -5
I read the NCAA website about obtaining a release from a D1 scholarship, and the requisite information about trying to transfer to another school, but when can you get a release without impacting your scholarship for the second semester? Daughter wants out immediately at the conclusion of the season (after last game). Does she still get her scholarship second semester? If she doesn't ask for a release we can't talk to anyone so we need it, but at what point is her scholarship intact for remainder of the year. A girl on the team quit last week (obviously prior to end of season) and had to sign a doc that her scholarship isn't in effect second semester. What is the key time period to retain your full year's tuition, etc...? After last match? After first semester is complete? She doesn't have to do spring practice does she? Is that up to the individual school? I don't want to ask the school because then she's toast....Oh wise volleyball people, help me out here please!
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Post by sevb on Nov 10, 2011 17:07:31 GMT -5
If she quits the $$ is gone... And to ask "how to get around it" is pretty shady too!! 1)quit 2) ask for the release to contact 3) move on
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 17:10:44 GMT -5
If she quits the $$ is gone... And to ask "how to get around it" is pretty shady too!! 1)quit 2) ask for the release to contact 3) move on well said. |
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Post by oldman on Nov 10, 2011 18:08:01 GMT -5
If she quits the $$ is gone... And to ask "how to get around it" is pretty shady too!! 1)quit 2) ask for the release to contact 3) move on well said. Athletes always want coaches to be honest. I think most coaches want athletes to be honest with them. |
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Post by sevb on Nov 10, 2011 18:14:33 GMT -5
Athletes always want coaches to be honest. I think most coaches want athletes to be honest with them. +1 |
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Post by vbgirls2 on Nov 10, 2011 18:27:32 GMT -5
if she leaves at the conclusion of the season, it is a moot point- she won't be there spring semester. (although most schools have their scholarships tied up for the full year so her chances of getting a scholarship from another school for spring is not very good. However if she asks for a release from the compliance people/A.D. the coach will be told and if she plans to stay spring semester it is possible that the coach will pull her scholarship. You really can't have it both ways.
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Post by abugslife on Nov 10, 2011 20:53:37 GMT -5
if she leaves at the conclusion of the season, it is a moot point- she won't be there spring semester. (although most schools have their scholarships tied up for the full year so her chances of getting a scholarship from another school for spring is not very good. However if she asks for a release from the compliance people/A.D. the coach will be told and if she plans to stay spring semester it is possible that the coach will pull her scholarship. You really can't have it both ways. I agree with you vbgirls2. You want your cake and to eat it to. You want to have a release and to look around at other schools but then you want to keep your scholarship. Um not ok. How would you feel if the school did that to your daughter? You would be pissed and on here talking about how she lost her scholarship because of some bad coaches who weren't honest. If I was the coach your daughter would have already have her release and would not have a spring scholarship. Remember that coaches talk- even if a kid is leaving the school. |
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Post by dadish on Nov 11, 2011 11:17:45 GMT -5
The player actually CAN have it both ways. I understand that this kind of "plan" irritates people on volleytalk, but the NCAA allows for your daughter to ask for a release, and it is not grounds for immediate cancellation of the scholarship. If you decide as a family that transferring at mid-year is more important to you than the scholarship, than you can "quit". But that does not automatically mean that she will be granted a release. It just means that you relinquish your right to the money. They can still keep her from transferring. So in the end, she should do the following things...
1. Meet with the coach and be honest about her desire to leave
2. Have her club coch contact other potential schools and ask about available scholarships, because you cannot do this yourself.
3. Expect to fight the battle to get released
4. Document everything
Good luck!
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Post by BearClause on Nov 11, 2011 11:27:24 GMT -5
To my knowledge, a scholarship can't be pulled mid-season for a student-athlete who does everything required of her, such as show up for practice and attend team meetings. A lot of players who are granted a release are told that they don't have to do these things any more while keeping the remainder of athletics aid.
The only grounds for pulling a scholarship mid-year is for some sort of gross insubordination or a serious breach of team/school rules. Asking to be released doesn't qualify.
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Post by sevb on Nov 11, 2011 11:50:54 GMT -5
Dadish-I agree with the direction to be honest with the staff. Also, think the conversation through-and be mentally prepared to not throw stones! Dont leave the coach with a bad taste in their mouth... Any new coach WILL call and visit with the old staff... Those conversations carry weight! Don't give anyone ammunition!! Take the high road and all will work out.
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Post by Not Me on Nov 11, 2011 11:57:59 GMT -5
Also remember that permission to talk to another school and a release are two separate things.
Just because they allow her to talk to other schools doesn't mean she won't have to sit out a year.
And if she is a freshman, she does have the terms of her NLI to fulfill
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Post by vbbuck on Nov 11, 2011 12:10:54 GMT -5
The player actually CAN have it both ways. I understand that this kind of "plan" irritates people on volleytalk, but the NCAA allows for your daughter to ask for a release, and it is not grounds for immediate cancellation of the scholarship. If you decide as a family that transferring at mid-year is more important to you than the scholarship, than you can "quit". But that does not automatically mean that she will be granted a release. It just means that you relinquish your right to the money. They can still keep her from transferring. So in the end, she should do the following things... 1. Meet with the coach and be honest about her desire to leave 2. Have her club coch contact other potential schools and ask about available scholarships, because you cannot do this yourself. 3. Expect to fight the battle to get released 4. Document everything Good luck! +1 |
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Post by abugslife on Nov 11, 2011 12:21:13 GMT -5
The player actually CAN have it both ways. I understand that this kind of "plan" irritates people on volleytalk, but the NCAA allows for your daughter to ask for a release, and it is not grounds for immediate cancellation of the scholarship. If you decide as a family that transferring at mid-year is more important to you than the scholarship, than you can "quit". But that does not automatically mean that she will be granted a release. It just means that you relinquish your right to the money. They can still keep her from transferring. So in the end, she should do the following things... 1. Meet with the coach and be honest about her desire to leave 2. Have her club coch contact other potential schools and ask about available scholarships, because you cannot do this yourself. 3. Expect to fight the battle to get released 4. Document everything Good luck! Yes and no they want nothing to do with the team but keep the money. She doesn't want to do spring practice or anything. What they want to do is quit, get the money for the spring to look around. If she wants the money for spring she better be prepared to do team stuff and not break rules to give them a reason to kick her off and take the money. |
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Post by gtvb1 on Nov 11, 2011 12:31:25 GMT -5
This will vary from school to school & I would assume the difference maker is whether the coach can/wants to bring in a spring transfer themself. In essence, you are quitting and don't deserve to be compensated in exchange for not working.
I have seen instances where a player asks for a release & keeps the scholarship in the spring. There are still athletic department responsibilitites they were appointed to (laundry, cleaning the arena, ticket check at other sports, sell raffle tickets, etc) in order for them to fulfill 20 hours per week. They were asked to not practice with the team as the coach did not have any interest in training another school's player.
But no, don't expect to ask for a release & still have your spring semester paid for if you do no work that is beneficial to the athletic department.
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Post by abugslife on Nov 11, 2011 12:44:20 GMT -5
This will vary from school to school & I would assume the difference maker is whether the coach can/wants to bring in a spring transfer themself. In essence, you are quitting and don't deserve to be compensated in exchange for not working. I have seen instances where a player asks for a release & keeps the scholarship in the spring. There are still athletic department responsibilitites they were appointed to (laundry, cleaning the arena, ticket check at other sports, sell raffle tickets, etc) in order for them to fulfill 20 hours per week. They were asked to not practice with the team as the coach did not have any interest in training another school's player. But no, don't expect to ask for a release & still have your spring semester paid for if you do no work that is beneficial to the athletic department. Very true points! |
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