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Post by ciscokeed on Apr 16, 2012 12:26:56 GMT -5
I remember Cal beating any number of high level D-1 programs back in the late eighties early nineties..-and yes I am talking about their varsity programs... Including wins over Pepperdine, Long Beach State, Irvine-( who was not as good then) UCSB, San Diego, Pacific, etc. Don't diss how fine some of the club ball can be...
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Post by volleiball on Apr 16, 2012 13:49:23 GMT -5
i never compared the LEVEL OF PLAY between college club and anything else to argue that college club wasn't "high level", so i don't know where you're getting that from. i said that i believed "high level" was more than just the level of play, but also the way in which individuals and teams approach the game mentally. therefore from this point of view, you can say that high school club junior olympics exhibit a 'higher level' b/c their approach toward the game is generally more mature and serious than what may be exhibited at college club nationals. if you disagree with what i consider "high level", as COMBINATION of both skill set/ability AND mental approach, then you may disagree. but i never said that b/c college club was not as high as ncaa d 1/pro/international, that therefore it wasn't 'high level'. you are absolutely correct, that teams like oshkosh, illinois, or ucf play competitively and are the top club programs in college, but they also take pride in doing keg stands, talking trash, bombing balls out, and setter self set within the context of this "high level" play, and that to me is a joke. Being someone who was recruited by both d1, and d2 programs but chose to play club instead in order to enjoy my college life and not have my day to day activities to be highly regulated and constricted, do to the fact that I enjoy having fun, doing keg stands on and off the court, taking the sport LIGHTLY and doing humorous things to ENTERTAIN myself, my teammates, and spectators; while still competing at a high level. I don't find 24/7 training, conditioning, practicing, watching game film, and being scrutinized on every single play of a match by my coach to be very much fun, sorry. If you were looking to watch serious, mature volleyball I wouldn't recommend coming to a college club volleyball tournament due to the fact that we like to PARTY and be reckless. I would recommend going to watch the USAV 40+, 45+, 50+, 55+, 60+, 65+, 70+, 73+, 76+, and 79+ divisions where I am sure you will not see classless keg stands or bombed balls and you can watch that mature level of play that you're looking for... here is more information about those events: usavolleyball.org/events/7761/page/13843 |
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Post by lionsarm on Apr 16, 2012 15:03:11 GMT -5
Mpsf tournament
NCAA final four
Norceca qualifying tournament in long beach
World league in Dallas
Olympics
Next years uci international volleyball tournament
I have plenty of options. It's too bad you thought that playing d1 or d2 would've precluded you from enjoying college. There are many current and former players who would disagree. As a matter of fact, the uci guys throw mean parties in their rented beach homes in Newport, all while playing at a pretty high level for likely our next Olympic coach, John speraw.
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Post by Mister E on Apr 16, 2012 15:24:24 GMT -5
Mpsf tournament NCAA final four Norceca qualifying tournament in long beach World league in Dallas Olympics Next years uci international volleyball tournament I have plenty of options. It's too bad you thought that playing d1 or d2 would've precluded you from enjoying college. There are many current and former players who would disagree. As a matter of fact, the uci guys throw mean parties in their rented beach homes in Newport, all while playing at a pretty high level for likely our next Olympic coach, John speraw. You're the Skip Bayless of this thread. |
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Post by lionsarm on Apr 16, 2012 15:42:08 GMT -5
Mpsf tournament NCAA final four Norceca qualifying tournament in long beach World league in Dallas Olympics Next years uci international volleyball tournament I have plenty of options. It's too bad you thought that playing d1 or d2 would've precluded you from enjoying college. There are many current and former players who would disagree. As a matter of fact, the uci guys throw mean parties in their rented beach homes in Newport, all while playing at a pretty high level for likely our next Olympic coach, John speraw. You're the Skip Bayless of this thread. What a brilliant, insightful, and substantive response. Skip Bayless would be proud. |
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Post by Mister E on Apr 16, 2012 16:16:41 GMT -5
You're the Skip Bayless of this thread. What a brilliant, insightful, and substantive response. Skip Bayless would be proud. You're welcome. |
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Post by UCF on Apr 16, 2012 17:31:47 GMT -5
Mpsf tournament NCAA final four Norceca qualifying tournament in long beach World league in Dallas Olympics Next years uci international volleyball tournament I have plenty of options. It's too bad you thought that playing d1 or d2 would've precluded you from enjoying college. There are many current and former players who would disagree. As a matter of fact, the uci guys throw mean parties in their rented beach homes in Newport, all while playing at a pretty high level for likely our next Olympic coach, John speraw. How dare we take volleyball less serious and play at a non-competitive level. |
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Post by jbol02 on Apr 16, 2012 18:14:11 GMT -5
lionsarm= Skip bayless, thats !!!!###$$$!!!ing halarious.
And dude, just because people play at a "higher level" when they are loose and having fun, doesn't have anything to do with the integrity of the game. Everyone has different mental approaches to the game, and if some teams are loose and cracking jokes having fun, while playing at "their highest level" who cares.
Just because some teams can play loose and have fun no matter how the game is going, win or lose, doesn't take away from thier level of play.
Stop being a boner, lionsarm, like skip always is. YOURE WRONG and look stupid haha
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Post by peluche on Apr 16, 2012 18:20:16 GMT -5
If I could afford to rent a beach house while playing volleyball then college would be just for fun anyways.
I think the keg stand and bomb/celebrating on game point was extremely stupid and I went to UCF. I'm sure they're not surprised I feel that way, but I do think it's disrespectful. Regardless, it takes nothing away from the volleyball played at the top of club volleyball. OBVIOUSLY they're not going to beat the top 15 or so NCAA programs but I know they'll beat the most of the rest and probably compete for NAIA and DII titles.
Kids choose club for a 1000 reasons. Choosing fun doesn't define their volleyball ability any less. Talking trash is on every level of volleyball so let's not try to kid ourselves.
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Post by lionsarm on Apr 16, 2012 19:08:53 GMT -5
lionsarm= Skip bayless, thats !!!!###$$$!!! halarious. And dude, just because people play at a "higher level" when they are loose and having fun, doesn't have anything to do with the integrity of the game. Everyone has different mental approaches to the game, and if some teams are loose and cracking jokes having fun, while playing at "their highest level" who cares. Just because some teams can play loose and have fun no matter how the game is going, win or lose, doesn't take away from thier level of play. Stop being a boner, lionsarm, like skip always is. YOURE WRONG and look stupid haha sometimes, i refrain from posting just b/c i give those who respond to me the benefit of the doubt that they did not completely read what i had to write. but increasingly, it just appears that the level of anger and derision goes beyond the simple characterization of misunderstanding. is playing loose/having fun/cracking jokes the same thing as doing keg stands/bombing a ball 100 feet into the air? you seem to conflate the two, then conveniently write that playing loose/having fun has nothing to do with the integrity of the game. and you are right. but doing keg stands and bombing balls out of bounds just b/c you're losing by ten does have something to do with the integrity of the game. but you forget that my bone of contention was never about "not having fun", but about certain acts that i thought was disrespectful and had no place on the volleyball court, at ANY level. you can resort to name calling by association all you want, it has little affect on anything i've said. so you conclude rather affirmatively that "YOURE WRONG and look stupid", but i fail to see how you've shown that i'm wrong. and responding to PELUCHE, you're absolutely correct that the top club teams are very competitive and may very well compete with the top d.3 or NAIA teams. (i don't think there's a D2 championship, since d2 is lumped into d1). the best example is dan mcdonnell, who got recruited to uc irvine while playing club for arizona at the las vegas tournament a few years ago. he is now one of the best middle blockers in the conference! the issue for me is never about physical ability, but mental approach. the crazy thing is that you can actually control your mental approach. whereas whether you're 5'6 or 6'6, you have little control over that. |
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Post by Mister E on Apr 16, 2012 19:11:46 GMT -5
lionsarm= Skip bayless, thats !!!!###$$$!!! halarious. And dude, just because people play at a "higher level" when they are loose and having fun, doesn't have anything to do with the integrity of the game. Everyone has different mental approaches to the game, and if some teams are loose and cracking jokes having fun, while playing at "their highest level" who cares. Just because some teams can play loose and have fun no matter how the game is going, win or lose, doesn't take away from thier level of play. Stop being a boner, lionsarm, like skip always is. YOURE WRONG and look stupid haha sometimes, i refrain from posting just b/c i give those who respond to me the benefit of the doubt that they did not completely read what i had to write. but increasingly, it just appears that the level of anger and derision goes beyond the simple characterization of misunderstanding. is playing loose/having fun/cracking jokes the same thing as doing keg stands/bombing a ball 100 feet into the air? you seem to conflate the two, then conveniently write that playing loose/having fun has nothing to do with the integrity of the game. and you are right. but doing keg stands and bombing balls out of bounds just b/c you're losing by ten does have something to do with the integrity of the game. but you forget that my bone of contention was never about "not having fun", but about certain acts that i thought was disrespectful and had no place on the volleyball court, at ANY level. you can resort to name calling by association all you want, it has little affect on anything i've said. so you conclude rather affirmatively that "YOURE WRONG and look stupid", but i fail to see how you've shown that i'm wrong. and responding to PELUCHE, you're absolutely correct that the top club teams are very competitive and may very well compete with the top d.3 or NAIA teams. (i don't think there's a D2 championship, since d2 is lumped into d1). the best example is dan mcdonnell, who got recruited to uc irvine while playing club for arizona at the las vegas tournament a few years ago. he is now one of the best middle blockers in the conference! the issue for me is never about physical ability, but mental approach. the crazy thing is that you can actually control your mental approach. whereas whether you're 5'6 or 6'6, you have little control over that. It's difficult to prove an opinion wrong. |
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Post by wouldyoulookatthis on Apr 16, 2012 19:54:05 GMT -5
lionsarm = douche you are literally the worst guy to ever reply on to here. your prolly some old hag that beats off to trying to make an argument that youll never win. just stop talking about how %*$#ty you think people act and how disrespectful it is because you were prolly the kid who never made it far in volleyball and so to you it seems so bad but most of the teams that succeed are the ones who are the douchebags and personally i love it. i think that it gives great competition because they piss you off and so it is just a huge battle
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Post by jbol02 on Apr 16, 2012 19:54:59 GMT -5
lionsarm= Skip bayless, thats !!!!###$$$!!! halarious. And dude, just because people play at a "higher level" when they are loose and having fun, doesn't have anything to do with the integrity of the game. Everyone has different mental approaches to the game, and if some teams are loose and cracking jokes having fun, while playing at "their highest level" who cares. Just because some teams can play loose and have fun no matter how the game is going, win or lose, doesn't take away from thier level of play. Stop being a boner, lionsarm, like skip always is. YOURE WRONG and look stupid haha sometimes, i refrain from posting just b/c i give those who respond to me the benefit of the doubt that they did not completely read what i had to write. but increasingly, it just appears that the level of anger and derision goes beyond the simple characterization of misunderstanding. is playing loose/having fun/cracking jokes the same thing as doing keg stands/bombing a ball 100 feet into the air? you seem to conflate the two, then conveniently write that playing loose/having fun has nothing to do with the integrity of the game. and you are right. but doing keg stands and bombing balls out of bounds just b/c you're losing by ten does have something to do with the integrity of the game. but you forget that my bone of contention was never about "not having fun", but about certain acts that i thought was disrespectful and had no place on the volleyball court, at ANY level. you can resort to name calling by association all you want, it has little affect on anything i've said. so you conclude rather affirmatively that "YOURE WRONG and look stupid", but i fail to see how you've shown that i'm wrong. and responding to PELUCHE, you're absolutely correct that the top club teams are very competitive and may very well compete with the top d.3 or NAIA teams. (i don't think there's a D2 championship, since d2 is lumped into d1). the best example is dan mcdonnell, who got recruited to uc irvine while playing club for arizona at the las vegas tournament a few years ago. he is now one of the best middle blockers in the conference! the issue for me is never about physical ability, but mental approach. the crazy thing is that you can actually control your mental approach. whereas whether you're 5'6 or 6'6, you have little control over that. You can't look at two plays during a game and say that they aren't mentally at a high level. Maybe its just thier personality knowing that they were going to lose the game, and wanted to be up for the huge party about to happen. It is a club, meaning you do it for enjoyment and the festivities. Not to be an uptight bitch on the court. just because they did a keg stand to receive some enjoyment from one play has nothing to do with thier integrity, it has do to with the teams personality and also a team doing what it takes for them to gain momentum. and as you know momentum is important in volleyball, so as long as no one got hurt during the keg stand, (and im almost positive no one got hurt during the 8 court bomb bc it was the end of the day) then no harm is done to the game. There is no degrading actions to the other teams, only actions to increase energy on their own team. the 100ft bomb is just another example, of sometime to do with volleyball that you can only see at NCVF nationals that the person isn't reprimanded for, but gets a huge cheer from the crowd for both teams. Lastly, i almost guarantee that if UCF made it to the championship, and the kid got an ace and did the keg stand cheer, that would be the loudest the gym ever got. BECAUSE IT IS ENTERTAINING so if you don't like it, forget about the 5 seconds, and let the rest of the arena get the memory that they will be talking about for years about a ace celebration that can only happen in college. |
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on Apr 16, 2012 22:31:06 GMT -5
lionsarm= Skip bayless, thats !!!!###$$$!!! halarious. And dude, just because people play at a "higher level" when they are loose and having fun, doesn't have anything to do with the integrity of the game. Everyone has different mental approaches to the game, and if some teams are loose and cracking jokes having fun, while playing at "their highest level" who cares. Just because some teams can play loose and have fun no matter how the game is going, win or lose, doesn't take away from thier level of play. Stop being a boner, lionsarm, like skip always is. YOURE WRONG and look stupid haha sometimes, i refrain from posting just b/c i give those who respond to me the benefit of the doubt that they did not completely read what i had to write. but increasingly, it just appears that the level of anger and derision goes beyond the simple characterization of misunderstanding. is playing loose/having fun/cracking jokes the same thing as doing keg stands/bombing a ball 100 feet into the air? you seem to conflate the two, then conveniently write that playing loose/having fun has nothing to do with the integrity of the game. and you are right. but doing keg stands and bombing balls out of bounds just b/c you're losing by ten does have something to do with the integrity of the game. but you forget that my bone of contention was never about "not having fun", but about certain acts that i thought was disrespectful and had no place on the volleyball court, at ANY level. you can resort to name calling by association all you want, it has little affect on anything i've said. so you conclude rather affirmatively that "YOURE WRONG and look stupid", but i fail to see how you've shown that i'm wrong. and responding to PELUCHE, you're absolutely correct that the top club teams are very competitive and may very well compete with the top d.3 or NAIA teams. (i don't think there's a D2 championship, since d2 is lumped into d1). the best example is dan mcdonnell, who got recruited to uc irvine while playing club for arizona at the las vegas tournament a few years ago. he is now one of the best middle blockers in the conference! the issue for me is never about physical ability, but mental approach. the crazy thing is that you can actually control your mental approach. whereas whether you're 5'6 or 6'6, you have little control over that. tl;dr. the thread should have ended after that guy called him skip bayless. its the perfect ending to a perfectly ridiculous argument #realtalk #oshkoshdadmjs #youhearditherefirst |
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Post by kcvolleyball on Apr 20, 2012 3:08:44 GMT -5
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