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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 23, 2019 21:56:20 GMT -5
#7 - If I said it, does it make it true? LOL But you said the score was 16 17! Let's get this straight. Both teams keep score. All players keep score. If the score is wrong, you correct it. If someone says the wrong score, and you play through the point, that doesn’t lock in that score under any circumstance. It’s not like an incorrect service order that cannot be changed AGAIN after you serve out of order. You correct the score at that point. You never begin justifying a score with “well, on the last point you said the score was…”. You correct the score by tracking the points that created the right score, not by “reading back testimony” of what was said before a specific score. You’re trying to get the correct score, not use incorrect statements to justify the wrong score. Agreed. But if you switch sides at 18-10 or 14-14 or whatever, you effectively agree that that is the score at that point. Switching sides is like a mutually agreed waypoint. Many times we've settled any scoring discrepancies by going back to the score at the switch, ie. "we switched at 13-8 and I served 2 times before you sided out. So the score is 14-9 and it's your serve." If someone then later said, "Wait...You had the score wrong at the switch." I'd be irritated by them not correcting it then. Agreed, side switch is a reasonable statue to limitations on score, and I too use it as the first line of defense in "what was the score when we switched". I guess as an ex-competitive golfer, I can't imagine not rectifying the score no matter when it is discovered, but can't argue with your scenario. AND, I don't think I've ever gone past a side switch and brough up an incorrect score. Often, I'll say "switch on 3" (switch after the next 3 points), just to put a kind of "audit trail" into the scoring so you could always say, "why would I say switch on 3 and now we're 1 point away with only one serve since I said that). My OCD kicking in, but it works! I've used it before.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 22:40:32 GMT -5
Often, I'll say "switch on 3" (switch after the next 3 points), just to put a kind of "audit trail" into the scoring so you could always say, "why would I say switch on 3 and now we're 1 point away with only one serve since I said that). isn't this exactly the same as the pet peeve you just mentioned?
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Post by volleyballjim on Dec 28, 2019 17:39:57 GMT -5
#6 - Don't cover the front and then complain about the back!
Most common rookie mistake is playing too far forward (short). As they say, play deep, think short. Too often, the complaints about 1 and 2 overs is based on poor defense and not anything else. A one or two over IS a free ball, as I've stated before, and should be handled as such. If you're not getting the 1 or 2 overs, it's not the offense's fault. It is the failure of intermediate players to be in the correct defensive location when the contact is made, in my opinion, as the reason those one and two overs work. On the other side of poor positioning, which generally only regularly happens at the lower levels of beach volleyball, is all the more reason to begin learning how to make offensive calls. It's amazing how few players do this at the lower levels, and additionally perplexing at how few hit to the call when it IS made.
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Post by guest2 on Dec 29, 2019 11:02:39 GMT -5
#6 - Don't cover the front and then complain about the back! Most common rookie mistake is playing too far forward (short). As they say, play deep, think short. Too often, the complaints about 1 and 2 overs is based on poor defense and not anything else. A one or two over IS a free ball, as I've stated before, and should be handled as such. If you're not getting the 1 or 2 overs, it's not the offense's fault. It is the failure of intermediate players to be in the correct defensive location when the contact is made, in my opinion, as the reason those one and two overs work. On the other side of poor positioning, which generally only regularly happens at the lower levels of beach volleyball, is all the more reason to begin learning how to make offensive calls. It's amazing how few players do this at the lower levels, and additionally perplexing at how few hit to the call when it IS made. 100% agree. Players not being prepared for one and two balls is so frustrating. Especially when they are standing at the net and cant be bothered to put their hands up and jump when they see it happening
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Post by volleyballjim on Dec 30, 2019 11:56:24 GMT -5
#6 - Don't cover the front and then complain about the back! Most common rookie mistake is playing too far forward (short). As they say, play deep, think short. Too often, the complaints about 1 and 2 overs is based on poor defense and not anything else. A one or two over IS a free ball, as I've stated before, and should be handled as such. If you're not getting the 1 or 2 overs, it's not the offense's fault. It is the failure of intermediate players to be in the correct defensive location when the contact is made, in my opinion, as the reason those one and two overs work. On the other side of poor positioning, which generally only regularly happens at the lower levels of beach volleyball, is all the more reason to begin learning how to make offensive calls. It's amazing how few players do this at the lower levels, and additionally perplexing at how few hit to the call when it IS made. 100% agree. Players not being prepared for one and two balls is so frustrating. Especially when they are standing at the net and cant be bothered to put their hands up and jump when they see it happening THEN you watch a post (hope you saw it) of Raffe and Ricardo playing somewhere in Florida and Ricardo touches the ball at the net or something and Raffe foot digs an impossible dig whereupon Ricardo bump cuts it to the corner of the net for a kill....An example of people staying awake during a rally, and THEN some! hahaha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 12:30:10 GMT -5
it looked more like lazy play by raffe and ricardo against a bad team.
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Post by vollydollyaz on Dec 30, 2019 16:24:29 GMT -5
Let's switch once at 11....by far the biggest pet peeve. We switch sides at multiples of 7 for a reason.
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Post by volleyballjim on May 12, 2020 20:37:15 GMT -5
#5 - Don’t hit into traffic!
Just watched a YouTube video on a rally where Nick or Taylor made an attack hit while the defender was running to cover it. It was SO obvious a sharp arm done counter to the defenders movement (line instead of angle; he was trying to pickup the angle hit) would have worked SO much better. Axiom, in my opinion: Hit where they left, not where they’re going . . .
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Post by guest2 on May 13, 2020 6:15:39 GMT -5
If this list gets finished because of it, the lockdown will have been worth it
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Post by volleyballjim on May 13, 2020 11:15:23 GMT -5
If this list gets finished because of it, the lockdown will have been worth it Hahahaha....I'm meandering into areas I'm unqualified to speak on (skill), but when I saw that video, I couldn't resist. Reminded me of calling "line over" and my partner hits angle RIGHT into their breadbasket.... I'm running out of content (4 to go) without playing and watching all the "cheese abound" in Santa Cruz...hahahah....
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Post by volleyballjim on Aug 23, 2020 15:51:24 GMT -5
#4 – The second call ALWAYS gets it!
On defense, you can ALWAYS be called off by your partner. Accede to that call off, for your advantage. SO often in beach doubles, your partner calls a shot (eg. falling back, trying to dig the ball or something) and you have a better track on the ball (eg. You’re moving forward and tracking the ball fine). Always let the 2nd call take the contact as “why would he/she call you off if YOU had a better track? Exactly, so no excuses (“I was set to contact it”, etc.), just pull off of the play and wait for the ball from your partner. This isn’t sixes where you might rarely get contacts, this is doubles and let the best situation trump your “initial call”. Guest2, we’re getting closer…LOL
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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 8, 2021 2:42:29 GMT -5
#3 – Don’t overuse “My Bad”
It’s a classic phrase in our “gentlemen’s sport” of taking blame for a misguided play. BUT, it shouldn’t be used reflexively. When you hit the ball out by 20 feet on “reasonable nectar”, you don’t need to tell your partner “My Bad”, he/she ALREADY KNOWS THAT. Keep the “male defense mechanisms” at bay and call it when appropriate: You edge into your partner's area, forget to pull and leave him/her the entire backcourt, etc. It’s a great gesture and keeps things mellow. “MY BAD” after serving out of bounds on game point? Yeah, we kinna know, so just deal with it and don’t offer to “take the blame” for something that solely rests on YOUR shoulders…
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Post by eazy on Jan 13, 2021 0:40:48 GMT -5
#5 - Don’t hit into traffic! Just watched a YouTube video on a rally where Nick or Taylor made an attack hit while the defender was running to cover it. It was SO obvious a sharp arm done counter to the defenders movement (line instead of angle; he was trying to pickup the angle hit) would have worked SO much better. Axiom, in my opinion: Hit where they left, not where they’re going . . . I have to be honest, I had high hopes when I saw this thread title and I was immediately disappointed. I’ll admit I skipped from around 98 to the last page when I realized I was reading posts from 2012, but this comes off as the most pretentious thread ever. Are you seriously calling a professional player’s mistake your pet peeve? Do you think they would make the wrong choice if it was “SO obvious” as you claim? I hope this thread is meant to be comedy and it was just lost on me. Yikes.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 13, 2021 1:24:14 GMT -5
#5 - Don’t hit into traffic! Just watched a YouTube video on a rally where Nick or Taylor made an attack hit while the defender was running to cover it. It was SO obvious a sharp arm done counter to the defenders movement (line instead of angle; he was trying to pickup the angle hit) would have worked SO much better. Axiom, in my opinion: Hit where they left, not where they’re going . . . I have to be honest, I had high hopes when I saw this thread title and I was immediately disappointed. I’ll admit I skipped from around 98 to the last page when I realized I was reading posts from 2012, but this comes off as the most pretentious thread ever. Are you seriously calling a professional player’s mistake your pet peeve? Do you think they would make the wrong choice if it was “SO obvious” as you claim? I hope this thread is meant to be comedy and it was just lost on me. Yikes. Plenty of professional players make obvious, repeated mistakes. Troy Field for example makes many, Tim Bomgren's crummy serve, Ricardo's often lazy play. Also if you don't like the thread don't read it, but many of us enjoy it.
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Post by eazy on Jan 13, 2021 1:39:42 GMT -5
I have to be honest, I had high hopes when I saw this thread title and I was immediately disappointed. I’ll admit I skipped from around 98 to the last page when I realized I was reading posts from 2012, but this comes off as the most pretentious thread ever. Are you seriously calling a professional player’s mistake your pet peeve? Do you think they would make the wrong choice if it was “SO obvious” as you claim? I hope this thread is meant to be comedy and it was just lost on me. Yikes. Plenty of professional players make obvious, repeated mistakes. Troy Field for example makes many, Tim Bomgren's crummy serve, Ricardo's often lazy play. Also if you don't like the thread don't read it, but many of us enjoy it. Yes, that’s quite true. Watch any NFL team with a losing record and you will see lots of flaws. But to call such things “SO obvious” seems overly demeaning to me. It sounds like the epitome of a Monday Morning Quarterback, which no one likes. I don’t like the thread at all, and I won’t be reading it anymore. However, I do think it’s at least worth noting that this thread comes off as incredibly abrasive. I’ve always found the volleyball (and beach volleyball) community to be open and inviting. However, I worry that if a new player stumbled upon this thread it would discourage them from participating because it seems, at face value, quite critical of anyone that is not good enough to live up to standards that even professional players do not meet. If this thread was filled with useful etiquette such as Bucky presented with being ready to play immediately after the previous match it could be really useful. But telling players not to hit the wrong shot doesn’t help anyone. I do hope you continue to enjoy the conversation and it doesn’t discourage anyone from participating.
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