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Post by volleyballjim on Dec 21, 2012 14:54:30 GMT -5
#72 - Serve that AGAIN .... I REALLY love this comment you receive from players who just got aced! For those that use this defense mechanism (I'm talking PSYCHOLOGY with that reference, not VOLLEYBALL), you're making LESS of a case for your skills. See, the thing is, you JUST GOT BEAT. Best to suck it up, and play harder (you must NOT be playing hard or you would have passed that serve). Everybody knows everybody can try harder and some do, some don't. Anyway, does ANYONE want to hear that after THEY were the ones executing the ace (remember, when you say "try that again" the implication is that you would have passed it if you had tried harder. Well, you didn't, POINT!
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Post by kokyu on Dec 23, 2012 1:09:00 GMT -5
The best is when they taunt call for the same serve after the ace, you oblige and ace them again with the exact same serve, usually a deep hubby wife or super short near sideline. Never any words after the second ace though.
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Post by cwpsy on Dec 24, 2012 0:11:23 GMT -5
Biggest pet peeve....after driving 20 hours to get out to Huntingdon Beach on vacation and some crap players won't give you the time of day cause they don't know you. Ended up playing on the beach with some folks from upstate NY...in Cali. This is why Beach Volleyball is dying, elitist crap not spreading the game.
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Post by kokyu on Dec 24, 2012 0:30:12 GMT -5
Were you at their level of play? Even if you are, if they already had a full court you can't expect locals to sit out for a stranger right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 18:51:10 GMT -5
Were you at their level of play? Even if you are, if they already had a full court you can't expect locals to sit out for a stranger right? wow. i see real volleyball players do this all the time. in fact, the only people i've ever seen not do this also play sand vb. now i know why...
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Post by kokyu on Dec 24, 2012 19:34:06 GMT -5
Were you at their level of play? Even if you are, if they already had a full court you can't expect locals to sit out for a stranger right? wow. i see real volleyball players do this all the time. in fact, the only people i've ever seen not do this also play sand vb. now i know why... If by "real" players you mean indoor, that's a different scenario. One extra person subbing in 6 on 6 is no big deal for a pickup game assuming the local 'A' teams aren't having a go at it. On the beach, you can't sub in on doubles and you can't expect to play 2 on 3. If the guy had brought a partner with him, then 3 on 3 would be no problem for a game or two.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 20:32:52 GMT -5
wow. i see real volleyball players do this all the time. in fact, the only people i've ever seen not do this also play sand vb. now i know why... If by "real" players you mean indoor, that's a different scenario. One extra person subbing in 6 on 6 is no big deal for a pickup game assuming the local 'A' teams aren't having a go at it. On the beach, you can't sub in on doubles and you can't expect to play 2 on 3. If the guy had brought a partner with him, then 3 on 3 would be no problem for a game or two. well, there's volleyball and then there's sand/beach volleyball. one qualified noun, one not qualified. so, yeah. anyway -- you kinda solidified the whole point here. none of the 4 on the court would leave the court so the "stranger" could participate. (but it happens in real vb all the time; we also have no problem playing odd #s when there aren't 6 on one or both sides.) doesn't sound very nice to me. it also sounds rather parochial...
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Post by kokyu on Dec 24, 2012 21:42:22 GMT -5
The topic of this thread is "doubles sand play".
There's nothing parochial about being considerate of others. We weren't given much information nor follow-up clarity by the new poster cwpsy above. The people I play with do welcome "strangers" as long as they have volleyball experience.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 21:59:24 GMT -5
The topic of this thread is "doubles sand play". There's nothing parochial about being considerate of others. We weren't given much information nor follow-up clarity by the new poster cwpsy above. The people I play with do welcome "strangers" as long as they have volleyball experience. that's good to hear -- it really is. but i was responding to the "elitist crap" vibe of cwpsy's post...
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Post by cwpsy on Dec 24, 2012 22:43:53 GMT -5
Well, to be more specific....I am a ranked AA / open player in grass doubles. The elitists would rather sit on the side of a court chatting and wait for their friends to show up rather than play with the out of towners (for over an hour). After their friends showed up they declined a challenge, stating they were "only practicing for awhile". Pretty much waiting for us to go away. As a person who organized my sand area, the rule was any could challenge...this builds the game even if you have to blow out a team once in awhile. Some of those "losers" actually get better over time.
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Post by kokyu on Dec 24, 2012 23:52:05 GMT -5
Something doesn't make sense here. No one would wait over an hour waiting to play when there' other people to play with. Sounds like you guys were better than them and they didn't want to lose.
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Post by Semp12 on Dec 25, 2012 10:54:39 GMT -5
Well, to be more specific....I am a ranked AA / open player in grass doubles. The elitists would rather sit on the side of a court chatting and wait for their friends to show up rather than play with the out of towners (for over an hour). After their friends showed up they declined a challenge, stating they were "only practicing for awhile". Pretty much waiting for us to go away. As a person who organized my sand area, the rule was any could challenge...this builds the game even if you have to blow out a team once in awhile. Some of those "losers" actually get better over time. Who were the guys you wanted to play? Legit Pro's? Quali guys? Randoms? And for whoever suggested playing 3's.. No real beach player would ever want to wast their time.. Even at the BB and A levels, most would rather sit and wait than play 3's. For indoor pickup, most competitive people would rather play a competitive game of even teams with someone sitting than play odd. 6 v. 5 could still be a competitive game, but typically the uneven teams thing is for recreational play.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 11:08:51 GMT -5
For indoor pickup, most competitive people would rather play a competitive game of even teams with someone sitting than play odd. 6 v. 5 could still be a competitive game, but typically the uneven teams thing is for recreational play. competitive people would rather sit than play? i can only tell you that is not my experience. in fact, i and some of the other competitive people i play with rather enjoy the challenge of going 3 or 4 v 6. we've even occasionally played 2 v 6. apparently sand players aren't up to a similar odd-sided challenge? i don't even dare to go into the reasons why that might be...
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Post by kokyu on Dec 25, 2012 13:51:34 GMT -5
Well we play on a college campus with only one sand court so we sometimes play 3's for warm-up, and then have people sit-out for doubles most the time.
If you're playing 2 to 4 vs 6 anywhere then you're definitely not playing against competent players.
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Post by geddyleemarvin on Dec 25, 2012 17:08:02 GMT -5
Ah, open gym - four out of five orthopedic surgeons recommend it because they'll get paid after some hack comes under the net and takes you out. Been there, no thanks. And 2 on 6 isn't volleyball, it's something eight year old's play in the back yard.
I'll happily stick with "fake" volleyball. I can't really speak for Huntington, since I've never played there (other than tournaments. Terrible sand), but it wouldn't surprise me if there was the same bit of "locals only" attitude you find with surfing. However, finding games isn't particularly hard in Hermosa/Manhattan. But before trying to jump in, take 15-20 minutes to observe what's going on, then find a court you think has the best approximation of your skill level. No fun for anyone otherwise.
There's all kinds of games on the sand - while doubles is obviously the preferred number, any given weekend, I'll play sixes, fours, one-on-one half court, co-ed, reverse co-ed, occasionally three's, you name it.
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