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Post by bouncehouse12 on Apr 16, 2012 23:39:33 GMT -5
this is some of the most meaningless, waste of time, dumb banter since the whole carthage roster size thread....
can we move on to picks and rationalities behind them?
We've got 4 serious contenders this year in Springfield, UCSC, Carthage and Nazareth. All 4 teams could make 3-0 runs to bring home the first title. It will be nice to watch through the online NCAA feed in HD, if anyone watched the girls tournament the video quality is awesome. looking forward to watching these young men play some excellent ball. Make history fellas.
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Post by YellowJacket#9 on Apr 17, 2012 1:11:37 GMT -5
1) What happened to OUTING -people on this on this board? I though that was frowned upon...but then again, I outed myself when I first came to VT, so that argument could be moot.... 2) I wasn't informed of JOC's status as a former NCAA Committee Member for championship selection, so if the way criteria are presented in committee meetings is different to how they are written, that is something the NCAA must take a look at... 3) el1202....the NCAA could give 2 hoohas what the AVCA rankings are. That has always been the case. What matters is the NCAA Regional Rankings. PLUS we all need to remember one thing...CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS are AQ's... Who are the conference champions? UVC - Naz Skyline - Kean CVC - UC Santa Cruz NECC - Elms CUNY - Baruch GNAC - Rivier At-Large bids are always going to be a toss up. Until ALL of the DIII teams come close to being (what could be perceived as) equal; or until more conferences support men's volleyball; (hopefully sooner than later) and regional localities are more CLEARLY defined; these questions will always come up. NOTE: NYU, STEVENS and NAZARETH are ranked in the WEST by the NCAA, thus causing more confusion. SINCE these teams are WESTERN ranked programs whatever they did against an EASTERN ranked program is MOOT. Regionally, they are considered a western team by the NCAA. Hunter would have gotten in, no matter what, based on that ALONE.
The proof - NCAA Regional Rankings www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-men/d3/regional_rankingsRight now this is what we have and lets (FOR NOW) enjoy the first championship. HELL who would have though PSU-Behrend would have upset NYU in the UVC playoffs? COME ON, that's what makes bracketology so much fun!!! BBK has Naz as his dark horse to win it all over in my thread about the championship (shameless self plug), but who knows what will happen. Baruch could go on a run teh same way they did in Dan Lavent's senior year at Baruch where they made ti to the final of the NECVA. No one saw that coming. Who knows, maybe it could happen again... I just can't wait. If I can get tickets and travel up to Springfield, believe you me, I'll be there!!! Good luck to my CUNYAC descendants and I wish them all luck! Good luck to my former coaching adversaries and friends. May your teams shine the brightest they can in this new era of men's DIII vball. LET THE TOURNAMENT BEGIN!!! |
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Post by YellowJacket#9 on Apr 17, 2012 1:12:41 GMT -5
this is some of the most meaningless, waste of time, dumb banter since the whole carthage roster size thread.... can we move on to picks and rationalities behind them? We've got 4 serious contenders this year in Springfield, UCSC, Carthage and Nazareth. All 4 teams could make 3-0 runs to bring home the first title. It will be nice to watch through the online NCAA feed in HD, if anyone watched the girls tournament the video quality is awesome. looking forward to watching these young men play some excellent ball. Make history fellas. GO to my thread to do that...that what its all about there (again - shameless self plug ;D) |
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Apr 17, 2012 7:17:16 GMT -5
Just think, a year ago we couldn't have this kind of discussion! I am sure the small group of NECVA organizers who had the vision to see the DIII championship effort would be excited to see this type of discussion. It's not just the DI picks that get discussed anymore!
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 17, 2012 7:58:55 GMT -5
this is some of the most meaningless, waste of time, dumb banter since the whole carthage roster size thread.... can we move on to picks and rationalities behind them? We've got 4 serious contenders this year in Springfield, UCSC, Carthage and Nazareth. All 4 teams could make 3-0 runs to bring home the first title. It will be nice to watch through the online NCAA feed in HD, if anyone watched the girls tournament the video quality is awesome. looking forward to watching these young men play some excellent ball. Make history fellas. You brought up "rationalities" for picks. Ok, Naz has lost to Carthage and Springfield twice each already, both by combined game scores of 7-1. What makes you think they are contenders? Even if they could upset 1 team, their path to the title is rough, defending champs or not. |
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Post by bbk on Apr 17, 2012 8:41:09 GMT -5
The fact that this many people care is a great sign and intelligent talk is always a good sign. Baruch faces Elms and that match will be exciting just for the fact that itis historic and maybe MVB will get some media coverage. The other 7 teams get a lot of time off before that first match. Exciting for sure.
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Post by justadad on Apr 17, 2012 8:52:13 GMT -5
Vollerman,
I'll stick by my points for why I think Springfield has set themselves up well for at large bids in the future. While I understand an at large is not guaranteed every year, Springfield only has to worry about those primary criteria and scheduling regional "W"s. They are not required by anyone to play the stronger Eastern (Regional) teams and can play the Western (out of Region - Carthage, UCSC, Juniata, etc.) teams to keep their competitive edge.
To top things off, a conference has one AQ, a single bad day and you are done - NYU. Also, a conference requires you to play certain opponents - impacts the Regional W-L ratio. Springfield is always shooting for one of three at large bids. With only six conferences, how many of those upsets you spoke of are going to happen in a given year that will provide a team regionally stronger (traditionally) than Springfield?
Time will tell, but I think Coach Sullivan understands the advantages of the regional rankings and being an independent. Of course, as long as they keep beating on teams and he continues to have strong recruits it is irrelevant.
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Post by noreaster on Apr 17, 2012 9:14:25 GMT -5
More Postseason Schedules
April 21
ECAC North at Endicott
Ramapo vs Daniel Webster
Albertus Magnus vs Endicott
ECAC South at Stevenson
Juniata vs Elmira
Medaille vs Stevenson
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Post by bbk on Apr 17, 2012 9:48:03 GMT -5
ECAC winners Ramapo and Juniata...
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Post by bouncehouse12 on Apr 18, 2012 9:34:17 GMT -5
this is some of the most meaningless, waste of time, dumb banter since the whole carthage roster size thread.... can we move on to picks and rationalities behind them? We've got 4 serious contenders this year in Springfield, UCSC, Carthage and Nazareth. All 4 teams could make 3-0 runs to bring home the first title. It will be nice to watch through the online NCAA feed in HD, if anyone watched the girls tournament the video quality is awesome. looking forward to watching these young men play some excellent ball. Make history fellas. You brought up "rationalities" for picks. Ok, Naz has lost to Carthage and Springfield twice each already, both by combined game scores of 7-1. What makes you think they are contenders? Even if they could upset 1 team, their path to the title is rough, defending champs or not. the fact that in any sport it's hard to beat the same team 3 times in one season would be my rationality. Even UCSC & Carthage's road is tough, but looking at a tough road Carthage did go 5-0 on a weekend when they faced NYU, Naz, Juniata back to back to back on a friday-sat-sunday tourney. Springfield's cake walk to the championship is almost certain unless Baruch can once again give them a run for their money or possibly hunter-not sure tho Springfield's dominant-obviously? |
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Post by oh13 on Apr 18, 2012 9:48:41 GMT -5
Carthage was impressive that weekend (as they have been all year), but keep in mind both NYU and Naz had big time players out with injuries that weekend.
I think everyone (unless you are a fan of other teams in the tourny) want a Carthage/Springfield final.
Here are just a few NCAA team statistical rankings for both of these dominant programs.
Springfield (1 division 3 loss this year to Juniata)- 1st in hitting percentage- .374 (wow), 8th in blocks per set- 2.46
Carthage (2 division 3 losses this season both to UCSC)- 2nd in hitting percentage- .324, 3rd in blocks per set- 2.88
Simply put this game would be won and loss where all volleyball fans like to see it done... AT THE NET!
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Post by bouncehouse12 on Apr 18, 2012 11:25:58 GMT -5
Carthage was impressive that weekend (as they have been all year), but keep in mind both NYU and Naz had big time players out with injuries that weekend. I think everyone (unless you are a fan of other teams in the tourny) want a Carthage/Springfield final. Here are just a few NCAA team statistical rankings for both of these dominant programs. Springfield (1 division 3 loss this year to Juniata)- 1st in hitting percentage- .374 (wow), 8th in blocks per set- 2.46 Carthage (2 division 3 losses this season both to UCSC)- 2nd in hitting percentage- .324, 3rd in blocks per set- 2.88 Simply put this game would be won and loss where all volleyball fans like to see it done... AT THE NET! i agree with everything you said, and part of my rationality toawards vballnerd was also that gimello was missing from naz and hamlet was missing for nyu both major contributors to their programs. great points though on the two biggest parts of the game being major factors for both teams, looking forward to this tournament!!!!! |
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Post by vollerman on Apr 19, 2012 16:32:48 GMT -5
Vollerman, I'll stick by my points for why I think Springfield has set themselves up well for at large bids in the future. While I understand an at large is not guaranteed every year, Springfield only has to worry about those primary criteria and scheduling regional "W"s. They are not required by anyone to play the stronger Eastern (Regional) teams and can play the Western (out of Region - Carthage, UCSC, Juniata, etc.) teams to keep their competitive edge. To top things off, a conference has one AQ, a single bad day and you are done - NYU. Also, a conference requires you to play certain opponents - impacts the Regional W-L ratio. Springfield is always shooting for one of three at large bids. With only six conferences, how many of those upsets you spoke of are going to happen in a given year that will provide a team regionally stronger (traditionally) than Springfield? Time will tell, but I think Coach Sullivan understands the advantages of the regional rankings and being an independent. Of course, as long as they keep beating on teams and he continues to have strong recruits it is irrelevant. I understand what you are saying, but that is all great for the short time. Every team in a conference has the opportunity for 2 bids, AQ and at large. Springfield one. As for recruits, what if springfield has injuries? They could lose recruits with a bad season (since you say that is what recruiting is mainly based on). Finally, what happens when the D3 VB starts to expand and more teams start competing? Especially if regions are combined (juniata, naz nyu, stevens, will most likely be in springfields region) More teams competing for at large bids. I bet if you ask any women's D3 coach, at large bids are not as easy to get as AQ. I understand what you are saying but if it is a lot easier for at large bid, why are there barely any, if any independent school in women's ball. You are thinking about right now, but if volleyball expands, they will be kicking themselves because it will be much harder to enter a conference. |
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