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Post by lonewolf on Apr 3, 2012 23:37:38 GMT -5
My only knock on Russ is that his players tend to not improve skill wise as much at PSU as they do elsewhere. Several of his players should have had long NT careers, but seemed to plateau. The few that made it, in my opinion, did it inspire of playing at PSU. I would say the sample size is pretty small to draw too much of a conclusion from this. You could find a lot of players from other programs that 'plateaued' in a similar fashion. |
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Post by AA #11 on Apr 3, 2012 23:49:24 GMT -5
It doesnt surprise me to read some of the comments I have read to my original post. Again, in my view of the world, that's part of what's wrong with our society. People say "look at his success", "4 national titles back to back", etc, etc... My point was, and still is, that even if you put together a winning record, it doesn't mean your "coaching philosophy" is going to be the one that most people would aspire to for their daughters/student athletes. I did play competitively, back in the late 80's. I played at an Ivy League program, so no scholarships, and no chance for national titles. Still, it was a competitive program with good student-athletes, and good coaches. And, i can tell you that to me, a great coach is someone who contributed to your growth on and off the court. Although i don't know Rose personally, from the video I doubt i would like to have been coached by him. He doesn't want to spend time with players, doesn't want to spend too much time on technique (and spend his time at practices shooting the breeze with other people, i guess while assistants do the work), and he has no reason to change...so i gues he stopped growing as a person or a coach. But in this society, if you win, you can do anything you want...That's why so many people kissed the ground Bobby Knight walked on. Where are the John Woodens of the world? I suppose if he starts losing, and fails to reach the final four over the next 6 years, people will then begin to question his methods. Perhaps some will realize that most likely, Rose is simply a great recruiter...but a very mediocre coach, at best. A "very mediocre coach?" Are you trying to tell me that Megan Hodge didn't improve over her four-year career? Or Nicole Fawcett, who finished as NPOY? Or Christa Harmotto? Blair Brown? Alisha Glass? Arielle Wilson? Alyssa D'Errico? Bonnie Bremner? Salima Davidson? Lauren Cacciamani? Sam Tortorello? None of those players improved or got better because of his coaching? These are some of the best players to have played the game in the last two decades, but they got to that point on their own? No credit to their, according to you, very mediocre coach? |
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Post by MTC on Apr 4, 2012 0:00:53 GMT -5
Well said AA#11. I think "bythe river" is looking for a father substitute.
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Post by truffleshuffle on Apr 4, 2012 0:02:59 GMT -5
i don't even know why you'd bother responding to that. anyone who thinks russ rose is a mediocre coach is obviously a fool who's not worth your time.
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Post by jgrout on Apr 4, 2012 0:14:47 GMT -5
And who has M-Wise prepared for illustrious NT careers? Aury Cruz... admittedly for Puerto Rico. Jane Collymore. Marcie Hampton. The 2003 squad, led by Cruz and Collymore, had other very good players, including Benavia Jenkins (who missed much of that season with a knee injury) and Lauren Moscovic (she and her opposite number at Stanford, Katie Goldhahn, set for competing Central Valley prep programs... Moscovic for St. Mary's in Stockton and Goldhahn for Tokay in Lodi). P.S. While doing research for this, at URL www.bringitusa.com/players/benaviajenkins.htmI found some video of the 3-0 whupping the 2003 Gators administered to Stanford at Maples. When Coach Wise returned to Maples for the 2011 Nike Big Four... their only visit since 2003... I walked over before the match and told her how well I remembered the beatings that team (and the team that beat them in the national final, USC) put on Stanford that season... two of the best performances I'd ever seen from an opposing team at Maples. The 2003 Gators would have won a national championship in many seasons, not just a lucky weak season... they were very unlucky to hit the Women of Troy at their peak, much as Stanford hit Penn State at their peak in 2008. |
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Post by nyline on Apr 4, 2012 6:18:08 GMT -5
I recently saw a video on youtube of Russ Rose speaking to a group of people on "Competitiveness"...OMG. Based solely on Rose's view of the world, there is no way i would want my daughter to play at Penn State. I feel sorry for the people who will justify all Rose says on the video, by saying "he has won multiple championships". No wonder we as a society are so screwed up. I do not mean to bash Rose or PSU, but...please take a look at the video and tell me you don't get the impression this guy is a joke with no sense of eithics...(pretty much his own admission at the beginning of the piece). bytheriver: You might want to expand your database a bit. Here's a link to a 2011 profile on Russ Rose, with quotes from former players and others, along with a three-part video: "For the Record: Russ Rose." www.dignittanyvolleyball.com/2011/04/27/russ-rose-garden-meet-the-wizard-and-other-characters-for-the-record/If you take the time to read the article, and view the videos, you still might not like Coach Rose, but at least you'll have a somewhat more extensive basis for reaching your conclusion. I believe the overwhelming majority of people who have interacted with him have found him to be generous with his time, and intensely caring about those around him. |
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Post by bigscrill on Apr 4, 2012 6:19:39 GMT -5
I recently saw a video on youtube of Russ Rose speaking to a group of people on "Competitiveness"...OMG. Based solely on Rose's view of the world, there is no way i would want my daughter to play at Penn State. I feel sorry for the people who will justify all Rose says on the video, by saying "he has won multiple championships". No wonder we as a society are so screwed up. I do not mean to bash Rose or PSU, but...please take a look at the video and tell me you don't get the impression this guy is a joke with no sense of eithics...(pretty much his own admission at the beginning of the piece). No need to defend Russ as the majority of this board know thaat he is an individual of very high caliber; his coaching? Well, the results and the player loyalty post-program speaks for itself. Oh yeah, I am going to go out on a limb here and say you won't have to worry about your DD being recruited by the State College crew. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 4, 2012 6:24:49 GMT -5
All I got was that the video is private. What up?
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Post by USAFAN on Apr 4, 2012 7:57:44 GMT -5
I don't think you can draw a lot of information about his character or coaching ability based off of the video but he's clearly not a very eloquent man. Essentially, I agree with most of his points but he chose a lot of crude language to describe them. A lot of random sexual innuendos.
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Post by vbking on Apr 4, 2012 8:35:44 GMT -5
I know Russ Rose and my style of coaching is very similar to his. This much I can tell you. I don't care what my players think either, but I care for them very much. I want them to be successful in life, not just volleyball, and understand the value of hard work, discipline, respecting authority and teamwork. Knowing Russ, this is what he wants for his players also. He runs the show; he knows what is best for the program; and he should and does make all the decisions. He should not cater to the whims of some 18 year old girl who has been caudled by her parents and probably her club coach and has been told since she was 13 how great she is. BTW, Russ Rose will always be successful because this is what works.
Bytheriver, you are what is wrong with society. Many of these kids, not all, have this sense of entitlement and in many cases they have this because this is the message they get at home. If you have a daughter, she should probably find a place where the expectations are lower, because it is obvious she could never play for a Russ Rose, a John Cook, a Jim Stone or a Jim McLaughlin.
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Post by USAFAN on Apr 4, 2012 8:45:23 GMT -5
I don't care what my players think either, but I care for them very much. Hmmmm....regardless of your coaching stlye comments like these make no sense whatsoever. What someone thinks is fundamentally linked to who they are as a person and individual. If you don't care about someone mentally or emotionally I find it pretty difficult to believe that you care for them "very much." It's a pretty selfish way to "care about" someone. |
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Post by vbking on Apr 4, 2012 9:11:56 GMT -5
I didn't think I would have to qualify this but obviously I do. When I say "I don't really care what my players think", it refers to volleyball and in the running of my team and I am sure that is what Russ means also. I do care about the players, but if they are unhappy because of the way I coach or they way I run my team, then they have to move on and find someone that will make them happy. Show me a coach that caters to the whims of his players and I'll show you a loser.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 4, 2012 9:13:22 GMT -5
I recently saw a video on youtube of Russ Rose speaking to a group of people on "Competitiveness"...OMG. Based solely on Rose's view of the world, there is no way i would want my daughter to play at Penn State. I feel sorry for the people who will justify all Rose says on the video, by saying "he has won multiple championships". No wonder we as a society are so screwed up. I do not mean to bash Rose or PSU, but...please take a look at the video and tell me you don't get the impression this guy is a joke with no sense of eithics...(pretty much his own admission at the beginning of the piece). Well I know the person pretty well, and would have zero problem with my daughter playing for him. He is fair, direct and honest. The best thing about Rose as far as recruits go, is that he doesnt present himself as one thing, and than turn into someone else when they get there. There is a ton of that out there, a lot of wolves in sheeps clothing. Also, Russ is part coach, part entertainer at clinics so there is a grain of salt that needs taken here. Russ will look you square in the eye and tell you what he thinks, but he doesnt manipulate or play games with players. There is a certain element of "old school" to him, but lets not forget that mental toughness is one of the reasons they have had the success they have had. |
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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 4, 2012 9:54:59 GMT -5
A few years ago I asked Rose why his team mostly sat on the bench and rested after the break between games 2-3 instead of peppering and warming up, he said "because they told me thats what they liked to, they want to relax" That doesnt sound like a person who isnt interested in listening.
I might also add that in the absolute worse crisis in PSU history, the university named one coach to participate in selecting a head football coach to restore honor, respect and morality in its program. They chose Russ Rose. I think that after nearly 30 years there, they have a good sense of who he is and what he stands for. There are plenty of winning coaches on campus, they chose Rose. He also teaches a class on coaching ethics on campus, something he feels very strong about.
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Post by itsallrelative on Apr 4, 2012 9:59:27 GMT -5
I didn't think I would have to qualify this but obviously I do. When I say "I don't really care what my players think", it refers to volleyball and in the running of my team and I am sure that is what Russ means also. I do care about the players, but if they are unhappy because of the way I coach or they way I run my team, then they have to move on and find someone that will make them happy. Show me a coach that caters to the whims of his players and I'll show you a loser. I think the words "Don't Care" are a little misleading....perhaps, a better way to describe this is that you evaluate their opinions, and weigh them with their experience level; so the result is you value the opinion of yourself and your assistant coaches much more than a kid who hasn't seen the level or the depth that more experience has. |
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