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Post by ESTRELLA on Apr 17, 2012 16:05:56 GMT -5
I was at an event (tournament) recently and had a conversation with a couple of known club coaches. During the conversation one of them told me that had NO setters (club wise) while the other coach was just a an echo of the first one. I proceeded to ask them what they really meant and they just said "We just don't have good setters." It was a response meaning that they did not get the kids that they wanted. Not wanting to labor on this conversation I asked them how many teams they had in the club and it came back above 20 with several in the younger age groups. So this is what came to mind: 1. Isn't their job to develop players? 2. Is club in todays enviroment just using an All Star program approach? 3. Are they doing all they can to prepare the kids? As I thought on those questions I did see their respective teams play and yes...the setters were in a scale from 1-3 (1 being ok) a 1. Now I did notice that their L2 had some good foot work and nice hands. I did ask them about their L2 as a setter and the reponse was that without her they did not have any reliable player to pass the ball all the time. Looking at their team they did have some other kids that could do her function, but at the end of the day the setter was just not effective enough. On the other team they had a libero with nice hands who stepped in several times to set in the back row. I asked the coach why not train her as a setter and his response was "who is going to pass? " I did notice that their back up L2 was as good as a passer as the libero. I did notice that all the good passes did not convert into a great last contact play. So in a nutshell these two clubs which have abundance of players in their system DON'T have setters..? So that is why I ask: What is the purpose of Club Volleyball? Estrella  |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 17, 2012 16:22:38 GMT -5
To make money for the club owners.
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Post by goodtobeagator on Apr 17, 2012 16:36:52 GMT -5
To make money for the club owners. And provide the coaches a springboard into college coaching. Recruiting is more important than talent development, right? |
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Post by Ralph Kramden on Apr 17, 2012 16:46:14 GMT -5
Isn't it about fun, and making the girls feeeeel goooood about themselves? (tongue firmly planted in cheek).
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Post by Reach on Apr 17, 2012 16:52:45 GMT -5
Lets not judge the entire club community by a handful of club coaches.
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Post by chickenwingqueen on Apr 17, 2012 17:13:26 GMT -5
- To get girls off the computer, couch, phone, etc;
- To give them a chance to devote a good deal of their time and energy to one specific skill. This will translate to the next challange in their lives, and they will have a better chance at success because they have already have the experience of applying themselves fully to one entity;
- To experience the influence of other responsible adults in the community; hopefully, these adults are guiding these kids in fair play, responsibility, and repect.
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Parent of a 4 year club DD, she experienced all of the above. Great clubs and great clubs are out there. It may take some time, but YOU (not DD) can find them.
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Post by chickenwingqueen on Apr 17, 2012 17:14:57 GMT -5
Great clubs and, of course, GREAT COACHES, (like she had) are out there.
Great editing... well, I'll work on it.
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Post by sevb on Apr 17, 2012 17:17:40 GMT -5
To support Maui Waui
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 17, 2012 17:34:05 GMT -5
Lets not judge the entire club community by a handful of club coaches. I'm not, because as far as I know I don't know any club coaches. (OK, I assume some of you on this board are club coaches, but I've met very few of you.) But really, unless the club is being run as a non-profit charity, isn't the purpose of it to make money? That's the capitalist way. (I've got nothing against making money, by the way.) I'm being unfair here, of course. Most of us have a goal of doing something we like, doing something we are good at, achieving some positive benefit, and also making money. I'm sure club coaches (and maybe owners) are the same way. They love volleyball and they want to make their living at it. They probably do want to give back to the game too. Etc. Etc. But the bottom line is that you have to at least break even or the club will go out of business. |
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Post by play2win on Apr 17, 2012 17:42:34 GMT -5
I was at an event (tournament) I proceeded to ask them what they really meant So this is what came to mind: 1. Isn't their job to develop players? 2. Is club in todays enviroment just using an All Star program approach? 3. Are they doing all they can to prepare the kids? So in a nutshell these two clubs which have abundance of players in their system DON'T have setters..? So that is why I ask: What is the purpose of Club Volleyball? Estrella 1 - Yes 2 - Yes 3 - NO! The purpose of club volleyball - To assemble as many teams as possible per age group (12-1, 12-2, 12-3, 12-4, etc. on up to 18-4) charge the parents upwards of $3600 in fees for the season, ask said parents to drive or fly to unnecessary tourney locales, pay ridiculously high hotel rates, provide snacks, gatorade, water for the players AND coaches for several weekends throughout the spring... "And oh yeah, we must have a team lunch and/or dinner at EVERY tourney weekend... and parents: please rotate paying for coach's meals becuase we just don't think we've taken enough of your money." Now... with all that being said (somewhat sarcastically), Yes I believe the ORIGINAL purpose and mission of club volleyball was to devleop players and prepare them to play at the next level. Especially since the average HS team/coach just isn't getting the job done. But hasn't that mission been clouded somwhere along the way when you see 16's & 17's "national" teams that carry a roster of 10-12 girls, but only 6-7 of those girls see any kind of regular court time? Are those remaining 4-5 girls really "national" team material? Should those girls' parents really be paying "national" team-level fees? Coaches, parents, players, and club directors really need to understand and be honest about the definition of "next level". For some it's PSU/Texas/Hawaii/Nebraska. For others its mid-major D1, D2, NAIA. And for the rest it's JC1/JC2. Dedicated player + enthusiastic parent + promises from club director does not ALWAYS = D1 Scholarship. So when you have club a comprised of 4-5 teams per age group, the reality is that what you likely have is about 1 (maybe 2) teams per age group with MAYBE 2-3 players whose names MIGHT end up on high-level D1 rosters. In most larger clubs, whether they call them "elite, gold, A, B, 1, 2 or 3", the majority of those teams should be weeded out & combined to make one "elite" team; and the rest of those players should be on the "not-so-elite" team, and the fees & travel schedule should be adjusted to match! You might call it sarcastic or harsh, but I think we all know it's true  |
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Post by head31919 on Apr 17, 2012 18:46:25 GMT -5
Why?
From a purely sports-based principle, I kind of agree with you. But, if I'm a parent of a 16 year-old kid who wants to play 8 multi-day travel tournaments and I don't mind paying $5,000 for it, who are you to tell me how to spend my money?
Estrella was trolling pretty hard on her first post. Two anonymous coaches she talked to didn't develop any setters, so the entire club volleyball system is a failure? As others mentioned, club volleyball is a business. As in any business, you have some people who serve their customers well and deliver a good product and some people who deliver a crappy product.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 17, 2012 18:52:58 GMT -5
Estrella was trolling pretty hard on her first post. 1st time I have ever read on Volleytalk someone say that Estrella is trolling.  |
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Post by fogballer on Apr 17, 2012 18:53:22 GMT -5
Why? From a purely sports-based principle, I kind of agree with you. But, if I'm a parent of a 16 year-old kid who wants to play 8 multi-day travel tournaments and I don't mind paying $5,000 for it, who are you to tell me how to spend my money? Estrella was trolling pretty hard on her first post. Two anonymous coaches she talked to didn't develop any setters, so the entire club volleyball system is a failure? As others mentioned, club volleyball is a business. As in any business, you have some people who serve their customers well and deliver a good product and some people who deliver a crappy product. Of course, your opinion isn't biased in anyway by the fact that you yourself are a full-time club coach and make your living off of club volleyball.  Club volleyball is only a business because both the supply side and the demand side make it that way. Show me where in the USA Volleyball Junior Olympic Program that it states that juniors volleyball is supposed to be a business for club owners and coaches to make a full-time living off of kids paying to learn how to play volleyball. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 17, 2012 19:03:32 GMT -5
Show me where in the USA Volleyball Junior Olympic Program that it states that juniors volleyball is supposed to be a business for club owners and coaches to make a full-time living off of kids paying to learn how to play volleyball. Is there any reason you think they shouldn't be making money? |
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Post by silversurfer on Apr 17, 2012 19:18:00 GMT -5
Yes, it is the job of the club to develop players. But there is still a ceiling on the talent of certain players. You can "develop" all you want, but if the other clubs have Wendy Rush and you have Scissorhands Johnson, no amount of developing is going to close that gap.
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