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Post by scorpianraider on Apr 20, 2007 15:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by kolohekeiki on Apr 20, 2007 16:25:36 GMT -5
I think Yuval Katz should have been on the first team. Granted he only stayed at Hawai`i for two years, the impact he made in those two years was tremendous.
I also think Stein Metzger should have been first team as well. Maybe I'm wrong, but is Brandon Taliafero better than Stein Metzger?
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 20, 2007 18:04:33 GMT -5
Metzger and Taliaferro were both great collegiate players. I'd give Metzger the nod for sheer athleticism, he could have played multiple positions on the court and been tremendous at any of them. Taliaferro was the better pure setter from a technical standpoint. What both did extremely well was push a team that maybe had good, but not exceptional talent, and turn them into national contenders and national champs.
In terms of pure hitting ability, I have never seen a better hitter at the collegiate level than Yuval Katz. Never. Alot of hitters have been dominant in college through some combination of power, range, jumping ability, quickness, etc. but none combined all of those elements, plus the best hitting vision I've ever seen.
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 20, 2007 18:10:21 GMT -5
Can't disagree with most of the list. Some notables who should have been someplace on that list are Canyon Ceman, Matt Fuerbringer, and Reid Priddy. There's probably more, I'd need to go back and look.
Lambert shouldn't be first team.
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Post by leftyvballer23 on Apr 20, 2007 19:07:45 GMT -5
i think scott touzinsky should be on that list somewhere. he had a phenomenal career at LBSU.
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Post by leftyvballer23 on Apr 20, 2007 20:37:02 GMT -5
no Suxho or Stanley either?
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Post by puwave on Apr 20, 2007 23:10:15 GMT -5
That was my first thought too... |
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 20, 2007 23:57:45 GMT -5
Suxho was only good for 1-1.5 seasons. Same thing with Stanley. Both were not very good as freshman. Suxho was decent by his junior year, and very good by his senior year. Stanley got better as a sophomore, then really good as a junior, then left school and never played his senior year.
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Post by thor on Apr 21, 2007 1:29:19 GMT -5
Costas was two-time POY and not listed on the 1st team...? He is also the only four-time 1st team AA...! Stanley got better after he left college, but was still raw when he played. It is tough to make such a list though with so many many players. Touzinsky should not be on the list. So much of his success was due to great setting... Surprised to see Ker on the list, he is just one time AA (haha although that will change in a few days) and just a junior. Also Yuval Katz could be first team... but maybe not after just 2 years.
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Post by whatup on Apr 21, 2007 4:19:30 GMT -5
Yuval Katz should have been one the first team because the two years he was at Hawaii, he won Freshman of the year and the next year he won national player of the year. Also, the two years he was there, Hawaii went to the Final Four.
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Post by volleyfred on Apr 21, 2007 15:20:30 GMT -5
In terms of pure hitting ability, I have never seen a better hitter at the collegiate level than Yuval Katz. Never. Alot of hitters have been dominant in college through some combination of power, range, jumping ability, quickness, etc. but none combined all of those elements, plus the best hitting vision I've ever seen. Katz should have been on the first team. I agree. He was the best hitter, maybe in the history of the NCAA. He was unstoppable. He also brought his team to match point against UCLA in game 4 of the 1996 NC. Only to have UCLA battle back under the leadership of Metzger, who also should have been on the first team. That NC was the best I've seen. Taliaferro was great for UCLA, I don't think it's wrong to have him on the first team, just think that Metzger and he should switch spots. One last thought. I'm certain that people are tired of seeing UCLA setters on the list, but what about Mike Sealy? He set his team to a NCAA record .420 hitting percentage. Which will never happen in the MPSF again. If you think that UCLA was just real good that year, think about this... UCLA returned many of it's starters the next year, 1994 (Nygaard, Kelly, Wong, Sullivan), two are on the list and only didn't return Sealy and Landry both not on the list, and added Nihipali and Metzger, both on the list (making a total of 4 on the list on the same team at the same time), and UCLA lost the NC to Penn State. I think setting your team to a record hitting percentage, and winning a NC (in 3) warrants at least honorable mention. |
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Post by roy on Apr 21, 2007 15:29:12 GMT -5
Yuval Katz should have been one the first team because the two years he was at Hawaii, he won Freshman of the year and the next year he won national player of the year. Also, the two years he was there, Hawaii went to the Final Four. I look at this list and I can't give Katz first team. The accomplishments of those who played 4 years outweight what he did in 2. Roumain made one FF but was a 3 time AA and 2 time POY. Nygaard has 4 FF appearances, 3 national titles, and 2 POYs. Taliaferro is the only 4 time AA setter in the history of the AVCA and has 3 FF appearances and 2 national titles. Millar is a 3 time AA with a national title. Hillard has 2 FF appearances with a national title with 3 AA honors and a POY honor. Rooney is a 3 time AA with a POY, with 3 FF appearances and a national title. Lambert is a 3 time AA with a national title. In comparison, Katz is a 2 time AA with 2 FF appearances, a POY and no titles. Had Katz returned to Hawaii and played all 4 years (and assuming he continued his pace as he did), he should have been in the first team. But based on only 2 years of playing, it seems pretty fair that he got second team. But bigger argument is with Costas. 4 first team AAs with 2 POY and a FF appearance and title (that was stripped). I think he makes a stronger argument than Katz. |
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 21, 2007 17:25:54 GMT -5
No way. Sealy only had one stellar season, in 1993. And that was only because Big Al put the idea in his head that he was considering starting super-frosh Metzger at setter over slacker-senior Sealy. So, for the first time in his collegiate career, Sealy actually put some work in during the 1993 season.
Plus, he had Kevin Wong and Eric Sullivan passing him nails all season. How hard is it to set an offense when you had passing like that at your disposal all year?
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 22, 2007 2:35:35 GMT -5
Another guy that shoulda been somewhere on that list is John Hyden from SDSU.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Apr 22, 2007 10:51:41 GMT -5
Can't disagree with most of the list. Some notables who should have been someplace on that list are Canyon Ceman, Matt Fuerbringer, and Reid Priddy. There's probably more, I'd need to go back and look. Lambert shouldn't be first team. I agree with both of 38 Skynard's posts. CC should be on one of the lists. Tali was the better pure setter between him and Stein. It is a shame however that this list only goes back 15 years. I know that the MPSF isn't that old and all but they should have allowed room for some of the pre-MPSFer's. My team would have looked like this for first team: Kelly "Karch" Karaly OH/S UCLA Dusty Dvorak S USC Bryan Ivie MH USC Patrick Powers OP USC Steve Timmons MH USC Tim Hovland MH USC Reed Sunahara OH UCLA Second Team: Ricci Luyties S UCLA Steve Salmon MH UCLA Doug Partie MH UCLA Jeff Stork OH Pepperdine (yes he was an OH at the Dine) Dave Saunders OH UCLA Adam Johnson OH USC Third Team: Bill Stetson OH USC Bob Leonard OH UCLA Denny Cline MH UCLA Tom Duke MH USC Bob Yoder OH USC Jim Menges S UCLA I know there might be others that would belong on this list. Some of you might think these guys don't belong at all, but I'm old. I can remember seeing some of these great athlete play for championships on the regular television when I was younger, not premium cable. These men inspired me to be a volleyball player. |
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