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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 11:33:15 GMT -5
Not apples to apples, however. The results of a women's gold could be seen -- one way or the other -- immediately, in the NCAA season.
I also think it's much more likely -- for what that's worth -- that we'd see a pro women's league here before a pro men's.
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Post by volleytology on Aug 13, 2012 11:44:56 GMT -5
As a lifelong fan, I find the best way to watch a match is sitting floor level from the back of the court. I believe one of the biggest problems with televising volleyball is the way it's filmed from the side and high up does not make it attractive to watch for the non-volleyball mainstream tv audience. I also think there are way too many timeouts internationally. I actually thought the beach competition was very exciting to watch and found it more Interesting, surprisingly.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 13, 2012 14:19:55 GMT -5
Not apples to apples, however. The results of a women's gold could be seen -- one way or the other -- immediately, in the NCAA season. I also think it's much more likely -- for what that's worth -- that we'd see a pro women's league here before a pro men's. The problem with a pro league is that there are only two places (Honolulu and Lincoln) that have fan bases that might support pro teams - perhaps not coincidentally, they also have no "major league" pro teams (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL). Hopefully, college conference networks will continue to increase exposure, and thus popularity, of college volleyball. Notice, however, that when UWTV televised all Husky Volleyball home games a while back, match attendance dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 18:42:48 GMT -5
Pro volleyball has always been (relatively) successful in the Twin Cities.
But, yes, it's a hard row. But it's also a chicken and egg thing. If the sport NEVER gets the attention it warrants (compare the beach VB exposure), how is it ever going to grow?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 13, 2012 23:38:35 GMT -5
Pro volleyball has always been (relatively) successful in the Twin Cities. But, yes, it's a hard row. But it's also a chicken and egg thing. If the sport NEVER gets the attention it warrants (compare the beach VB exposure), how is it ever going to grow? Live match coverage is the key, I think, which conference networks, with the Pac-12 network starting, are increasingly going to deliver. All of UW's conference matches are going to be on live. That might not lead to attendance gains, and could lead to drops, at least in the short term. It will expose the sport to a lot of new eyes and some will eventually make it to the arena. Now, if we can just get tournament coverage out of ESPNU Hell...
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Post by volleyballhawk on Aug 14, 2012 22:15:31 GMT -5
There's something wrong with the way TV coverage currently is. Someone mentioned it earlier, but I'd love to see them change the camera angle to behind the baseline. Look at tennis. Everyone would agree it would be ridiculous to have a side angle of a tennis match, so why is volleyball any different? Move the camera, and I think the game would be a lot more exciting to watch on TV.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 15, 2012 0:18:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't like the camera work for volleyball - too static. It started out too close, not showing the endlines, but then moved too far out, and tended to stay there, interspersed with shots that were too close, both from the sideline. Can't really blame NBC for that - they were just rebroadcasting London's feed, although they could have brought extra cameras, I believe. All NBC did was to call it, and cut it...
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 15, 2012 10:23:59 GMT -5
Everyone would agree it would be ridiculous to have a side angle of a tennis match, so why is volleyball any different? Because volleyball isn't tennis. There are no blocks in tennis. No sets (mostly) parallel to the net. Etc.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Aug 15, 2012 11:26:07 GMT -5
While I was not happy with how NBC handled a good deal of their volleyball coverage, I don't think camera angles have a lot to do with growing the sport. IMO the best thing that can be done is a current fan taking a prospective fan to a live match. I was at best, a casual fan of volleyball until I finally went to a match. Granted, it was the 1994 Regional Final with NE vs PSU, so the atmosphere was electric. But is wasn't until I saw in person the grace and athleticism of these phenomenal women that I became the rabid fan I am today. So take someone to a match this year whose never been to one. If possible, make it a meaningful contest as to insure a good atmosphere. Then, hopefully we'll have one more fan complaining about camera angles and lack of coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 11:33:58 GMT -5
Everyone would agree it would be ridiculous to have a side angle of a tennis match, so why is volleyball any different? Because volleyball isn't tennis. There are no blocks in tennis. No sets (mostly) parallel to the net. Etc. End line is the best angle for blocks, too. But it isn't changing for one simple reason: It's a change. Americans do not like change.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 16, 2012 0:27:17 GMT -5
Because volleyball isn't tennis. There are no blocks in tennis. No sets (mostly) parallel to the net. Etc. End line is the best angle for blocks, too. But it isn't changing for one simple reason: It's a change. Americans do not like change. It also requires two cameras, if you're going to shoot from both endlines - shooting from only one endline is great for watching the team closest to you, but not so great for watching the team furthest from you. If you're also going to have sideline shots and closeups, that's two more cameras.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 12:41:03 GMT -5
I don't know. I don't change endline seats when the teams change sides. It's different, of course. But you can still see both teams.
Does tennis shoot from both end lines?
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Aug 16, 2012 12:43:02 GMT -5
Tennis shoots from one end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 12:47:57 GMT -5
There really isn't any excuse for continuing with the shot from the side. They continually miss where the ball is hit.
Football fans would never stand for a camera angle that shows the quarterback throwing the ball, but misses the catch downfield (although football camera angles are odd, too, the play is slow enough for the camera to catch up).
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Post by volleyballhawk on Aug 16, 2012 18:20:24 GMT -5
End line is the best angle for blocks, too. But it isn't changing for one simple reason: It's a change. Americans do not like change. It also requires two cameras, if you're going to shoot from both endlines - shooting from only one endline is great for watching the team closest to you, but not so great for watching the team furthest from you. If you're also going to have sideline shots and closeups, that's two more cameras. You shoot from one endline, just like they do in tennis. The endline view is the best angle for seeing blocks and sets. And do you really think a broadcast only uses one or two cameras? They use multiple cameras for a variety of shots: gameplay, close ups, etc. There's a reason why EVERY single coach/team in the entire world films and scouts matches from the endline. You never see a team set a camera up from the side of the court.
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