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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 20, 2012 3:10:04 GMT -5
While I count myself a Glass fan, you can not simply take her laurels from American college athletics and extrapolate that into international success. As many have stated before, the leap is monumental. She is well on her way but the conclusion is as yet unsettled. Playing internationally is like hitting driver in golf: every weakness, kink, and fault in your technique gets amplified a hundredfold. Sent from my iPad using ProBoards app Glass has 5 Gold Medals for Team USA in a short two years. The leap has not been monumental at all for her. Whenever she has been given the chance, she has come thru beautifully. Glass should never have been left off that team after what she contributed to Team USA the last two years and the victories she led them to. Classic example of over-coaching that started with that move and ended with more over-coaching in the Gold Medal match. You have to be kidding me. If Glass had gone instead of Thompson, she would have been the backup setter. She would have had the exact same amount of playing time Thompson did in the final match -- nothing. Thompson was called upon to take over for Berg in one match and part of another, and the team won them easily. You simply can't blame the gold medal loss on the one player who didn't even play in it!
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Post by spalding on Aug 20, 2012 11:39:05 GMT -5
Glass has 5 Gold Medals for Team USA in a short two years. The leap has not been monumental at all for her. Whenever she has been given the chance, she has come thru beautifully. Glass should never have been left off that team after what she contributed to Team USA the last two years and the victories she led them to. Classic example of over-coaching that started with that move and ended with more over-coaching in the Gold Medal match. You have to be kidding me. If Glass had gone instead of Thompson, she would have been the backup setter. She would have had the exact same amount of playing time Thompson did in the final match -- nothing. Thompson was called upon to take over for Berg in one match and part of another, and the team won them easily. You simply can't blame the gold medal loss on the one player who didn't even play in it! I disagree. As soon as Berg came up lame, Glass would have taken over the starting duties and put Berg in the "relief" mode she should have been in all along. It was obvious Hugh had no faith in Thompson and rightfully so because she has never done anything in Team USA's program and was not part of the mix the last 2 years leading up this Olympic event. You Udub fans can sugarcoat all you want but Thompson is not in Glass's league and did not "earn" her spot on the team. To keep CT just to keep Logan happy is not a "valid" reason for keeping her. It was a mistake from the beginning and it came back to haunt Team USA in the end with their epic collapse.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 20, 2012 12:57:01 GMT -5
Someone is biased here, but I think it's you. It's legitimate to wonder when the Husky fans call for Thompson to have played in the match whether that is bias, but to blame her being on the team for the loss when she didn't even play in the match? That's bias the other direction.
Berg was the #1 setter in the US program for the past four years. You simply aren't going to put anybody else in the gold medal final, no matter which sub you also have on the bench. Period. You win or lose with Berg in that match, unless she's not healthy.
Besides that, was it really the setting that was the problem in the match anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 16:46:12 GMT -5
No, it was not.
It was team effort, unfortunately. Maybe Glass would have made a difference, but I agree that she never would have had the chance anyhow.
I totally disagree that Glass is at Berg's level, by the way. That will take several years, if it ever happens. This is just more of the same crap Berg has had thrown at her her entire career. She is still a seriously underappreciated setter, remarkable as that could be for someone with her resume.
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Post by ciscokeed on Aug 20, 2012 17:08:52 GMT -5
Thank you Mikegarrison and Ruffda for injecting some common sense and perspective into this topic. This coaching staff and team were amazing, the best USA women's team we have ever had...perhaps with the exception of the Flo Hyman years- but that team also took silver. Hugh and his staff took the team to number one in the world. They did not make thoughtless decisions. They understood the roster far better than any posters on this site. We were 5-0 going into the gold medal match and blew Brazil out the first game...then Brazil got hot and we went into quicksand. That happens to men and women, pro and amateur, Lebron and Miami felt it against Dallas last year...you don't blow up the roster or doubt what that staff did....If you have any understanding of competiton, it was just one of those moments that happens. The worst thing to happen to a team is to blow out a good team in game one, and then start to struggle...your mind keeps telling you this shouldn't be happening, you should be beating this team. You start to press, you can't pass you can't swing like you want, the other team loads up on emotion, and you end up getting stuck in quicksand and the harder you try, the more mired you get.....It wasn't Lindsey Berg- she truly is the best setter for the USA. It wasn't Larson and Tom- they truly are our best outsides...it was just one of those damn things. Painful to watch, and I am sure the players and coaches suffered-but it was not a question of bad coaching or a bad roster or mistakes made....I wouldn't change a thing that wonderful staff and team did. I am unabashedly proud of them, and irritated at the posters who second guess after the fact. Appreciate the greatness this team has given us, and accept that the best team doesn't always win...
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Post by sevb on Aug 21, 2012 10:08:55 GMT -5
Thank you Mikegarrison and Ruffda for injecting some common sense and perspective into this topic. This coaching staff and team were amazing, the best USA women's team we have ever had...perhaps with the exception of the Flo Hyman years- but that team also took silver. Hugh and his staff took the team to number one in the world. They did not make thoughtless decisions. They understood the roster far better than any posters on this site. We were 5-0 going into the gold medal match and blew Brazil out the first game...then Brazil got hot and we went into quicksand. That happens to men and women, pro and amateur, Lebron and Miami felt it against Dallas last year...you don't blow up the roster or doubt what that staff did....If you have any understanding of competiton, it was just one of those moments that happens. The worst thing to happen to a team is to blow out a good team in game one, and then start to struggle...your mind keeps telling you this shouldn't be happening, you should be beating this team. You start to press, you can't pass you can't swing like you want, the other team loads up on emotion, and you end up getting stuck in quicksand and the harder you try, the more mired you get.....It wasn't Lindsey Berg- she truly is the best setter for the USA. It wasn't Larson and Tom- they truly are our best outsides...it was just one of those damn things. Painful to watch, and I am sure the players and coaches suffered-but it was not a question of bad coaching or a bad roster or mistakes made....I wouldn't change a thing that wonderful staff and team did. I am unabashedly proud of them, and irritated at the posters who second guess after the fact. Appreciate the greatness this team has given us, and accept that the best team doesn't always win... +100
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 21, 2012 16:19:59 GMT -5
A big part of the sturm und drung over how the team was put together and how the team fared comes from the fact that we are dealing with a four year cycle. Whereas the all the other sports deal with a one year cycle. Given our immediate gratification culture, the drama and pain are amplified geometrically with each year. This is what the Olympics count on this is what NBC counts on, or else no one would care and no one would watch.
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Post by azvb on Aug 21, 2012 17:45:45 GMT -5
In answer to the title of this thread, I think we learned it would be nice to have a 15 player roster, or at least 14. Richards, Bown, and (fill in the blank) would have been nice to have on the bench.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 21, 2012 19:22:15 GMT -5
To keep CT just to keep Logan happy is not a "valid" reason for keeping her.
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Post by Cmd12 on Aug 3, 2014 12:28:41 GMT -5
Larson had a terrible olympics. Although she is still young , I do not trust her. They need another OH besides Hooker. Hodge is useless because she can't receive/pass the ball. Once Hooker was off a little bit, there was no one else there. I though Kristin Richards could have helped if she was on the final team. Richards is a better all around player than Hodge The roster selection was questonable. Arruda over Bown? Come on, the B team beat the same Brazil team in Grand Prix. The talent was there. Heather Bown also could have helped because of her experience. Harmotto was good but too in-experienced. Here hoping that Karch will be the next HC. Hugh did an incredible job. The team took over #1 ranking.
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