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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 28, 2012 8:22:41 GMT -5
I will nominate Suzie Fritz, Mick Haley, Michael Jordan, and Genny volpe.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 28, 2012 8:26:12 GMT -5
Is this anything like football where the coach just passes the responsibility off on the SID, or some other assistant? I'd hope each coach does their own voting and puts a little though into it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they just had someone else fill out their ballot.
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Post by silversurfer on Aug 28, 2012 8:27:23 GMT -5
Pepperdine beats Illinois, loses to Dayton, and Fritz has them up two spots from last week. Hm.
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Post by volleytology on Aug 28, 2012 8:29:51 GMT -5
There's worst and then there's most self-serving and many times those two concepts intersect. The longstanding self-serving aspect of the poll will be tamped down by the vote transparency, making it simply a better, more accurate poll. Kathy DeBoer gets that.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 28, 2012 8:52:57 GMT -5
There's worst and then there's most self-serving and many times those two concepts intersect. The longstanding self-serving aspect of the poll will be tamped down by the vote transparency, making it simply a better, more accurate poll. Kathy DeBoer gets that. +1. the voters actually got to vote to see if this should be made public. Can you imagine actually voting against that? What does that say? |
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Post by jayj79 on Aug 28, 2012 9:16:19 GMT -5
Is this anything like football where the coach just passes the responsibility off on the SID, or some other assistant? I'd hope each coach does their own voting and puts a little though into it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they just had someone else fill out their ballot. On the one hand, I feel like a coach's priority should be on his/her own team/program, and if the demands on their time/thoughts are taken up by by those matters, it makes sense for a more or less "meaningless" popularity poll to take a backseat (and possibly be handed off to someone else in the program). On the other hand, if a coach doesn't have sufficient time/etc. to properly research and fill out their ballot, perhaps they should abstain from the voting pool. I dunno. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 28, 2012 9:26:22 GMT -5
The usual mindset of a coaches poll voter:
1) Vote yourself much higher than the teams you have beaten but not so much higher that it will hurt their RPI.
2) Vote the teams that have beaten you much higher than they should be.
3) Regardless of how they did against you, take the teams that have higher RPI than you and have played your team or will play your team and jack their poll position higher.
4) Collectively vote your fellow conference teams higher in order to give your conference value.
5) Vote for yourself even though your conference rival just thumped your team, no one will know.
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Post by jayj79 on Aug 28, 2012 9:49:19 GMT -5
Does the coaches poll really have any effect on the RPI?
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Post by jasonr on Aug 28, 2012 10:03:37 GMT -5
Is this anything like football where the coach just passes the responsibility off on the SID, or some other assistant? I'd hope each coach does their own voting and puts a little though into it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they just had someone else fill out their ballot. On the one hand, I feel like a coach's priority should be on his/her own team/program, and if the demands on their time/thoughts are taken up by by those matters, it makes sense for a more or less "meaningless" popularity poll to take a backseat (and possibly be handed off to someone else in the program). On the other hand, if a coach doesn't have sufficient time/etc. to properly research and fill out their ballot, perhaps they should abstain from the voting pool. I dunno. This is always the number 1 argument against coaches' polls in any sport. Thorough analysis requires time, effort, and the actual "want to." Most coaches barely care or have time. It's why a legit coaches poll would be a small panel of retired coaches, or any other coaches with legitimate reputations, that are willing to put some time and effort in constructing their ballot. Coaches that have the knowledge base, integrity, and time to watch as many matches as possible on a weekly basis. In the end, given there's a tournament at the end of the year, polls don't matter too much, it's all settled on the court. But getting an entry into the tourney and seeding are somewhat dependent on polls, so it's worthy of the discussion. |
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Post by BoilerUp! on Aug 28, 2012 10:08:58 GMT -5
How about a poll where we could vote?
I would pick Mike Jordan who left Purdue off his ballot.
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Post by volleytology on Aug 28, 2012 10:16:58 GMT -5
People keep saying voters don't have time, that's really not true. Basically you have to keep track of the top 40 results and each voter is sent a detailed version of the week's results and after about a 15-20 min review on Monday morning, can make their poll. Most coaches enjoy the process and use it as a way to keep track on how teams are doing throughout the country and give any up and coming teams the props they deserve. Coaches can choose to leave the poll if they want. There are also alternates who vote and can replace "real" voters if they miss a week or don't want to continue as poll voters. Being a poll voter is a highly sought after status and I believe with new openess of the voting process, you'll see a much more accurate poll develop.
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Post by jayj79 on Aug 28, 2012 10:27:13 GMT -5
Basically you have to keep track of the top 40 results But how is that "top 40" selected? Is Rick Dees or Casey Casim involved? |
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Post by volleytology on Aug 28, 2012 10:31:56 GMT -5
The top 40 is basically the top 25 plus the schools receiving votes and then, as I mentioned, any schools having quietly great seasons who deserve a look. Comes out to about 40 or so schools. It's Casey Kasem, by the way
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 28, 2012 10:39:05 GMT -5
Does the coaches poll really have any effect on the RPI? No |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 28, 2012 10:41:35 GMT -5
Tom Hilbert is the obvious choice. Hawaii at 16? Really?
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