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Post by g8rvball on Aug 29, 2012 13:53:00 GMT -5
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Aug 29, 2012 17:31:24 GMT -5
Now these are the types of Gator fans I am used to. Thrill, you almost had me fooled and then g8rvball rides into town. ;D I like the parts of this thread that are on topic so I will continue them. This will be an interesting year to say the least and I'm honestly very excited about that and anticipating the future of this team. Since I've been a fan Florida volleyball's reputation has been two things: high expectations and never getting the job done. This year is an outlier from tradition as expectations are very low and we don't graduate a huge talent at the end of the season (no disrespect to the seniors, but they aren't marquee names around the NCAA). What we have here is a transitional year where many underclassman will be mentored for leadership and starting roles. The new players (freshman and transfers) will gain valuable experience for next season but will have to endure some bumps along the way which is fine if we keep patient. I just hope the transferring out bug is vaccinated and that are team can stay consistent. |
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 29, 2012 17:43:19 GMT -5
Now these are the types of Gator fans I am used to. Thrill, you almost had me fooled and then g8rvball rides into town. ;D I like the parts of this thread that are on topic so I will continue them. This will be an interesting year to say the least and I'm honestly very excited about that and anticipating the future of this team. Since I've been a fan Florida volleyball's reputation has been two things: high expectations and never getting the job done. This year is an outlier from tradition as expectations are very low and we don't graduate a huge talent at the end of the season (no disrespect to the seniors, but they aren't marquee names around the NCAA). What we have here is a transitional year where many underclassman will be mentored for leadership and starting roles. The new players (freshman and transfers) will gain valuable experience for next season but will have to endure some bumps along the way which is fine if we keep patient. I just hope the transferring out bug is vaccinated and that are team can stay consistent. Florida has always struck me as a program that gets great kids, but not neccesarily the right mix of kids. Clearly there was a point were Florida fell in love with pure athletes, and while they put big time athletes on the floor their volleyball wasnt exceptional. To me its not just about requiring talent, but rather players whose skills set compliment each other. Programs are so fixed on recruiting point scorers that they wind up not having kids who are facilitators. I think they get a lot of the kids they want, im not always sure they want the right kids. For one, like Texas they dont recruit passing. Coaches are a little naive IMO in that they feel like you recruit athletes and develop them into passers. As someone who is in the world of developing players, it isnt that easy. I think you have to recruit passing. I would also be interested to hear from UF fans about how much they feel players improve in that program as well. |
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Post by floridaLOG on Aug 29, 2012 18:57:30 GMT -5
In the older days, the kids improved tremendously, because Wise would take raw athletic ability and molding it, ala Gabby Mallette this year (She BANGED a few this weekend) Even now though, when she gets some great players they still improve very much. Just look at Kristy Jaeckal, Chloe Mann, and
Simone Antwi. They all improved greatly over there years. Then you have Murphy and Ward, who were good when they came in, but developed into top notch players, even before Ward left.
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Post by goodtobeagator on Aug 29, 2012 19:18:54 GMT -5
To answer the OP, the 2014 class is supposed to be very strong. An OH from Michigan and setter from Ohio ate trekking to warmer confines. Look at prepvb for details. That class is shaping up to be loaded. Next year might be another so-so class that needs to be molded once they arrive.
Also to the OP, Florida fans are a mixed breed on this board. Some are classy (Thrill, GatorVB, sevb) and others are total jerks. We'd like to have more of the former. Please represent us well with both criticism and praise.
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Aug 29, 2012 19:22:41 GMT -5
;D I like the parts of this thread that are on topic so I will continue them. This will be an interesting year to say the least and I'm honestly very excited about that and anticipating the future of this team. Since I've been a fan Florida volleyball's reputation has been two things: high expectations and never getting the job done. This year is an outlier from tradition as expectations are very low and we don't graduate a huge talent at the end of the season (no disrespect to the seniors, but they aren't marquee names around the NCAA). What we have here is a transitional year where many underclassman will be mentored for leadership and starting roles. The new players (freshman and transfers) will gain valuable experience for next season but will have to endure some bumps along the way which is fine if we keep patient. I just hope the transferring out bug is vaccinated and that are team can stay consistent. Florida has always struck me as a program that gets great kids, but not neccesarily the right mix of kids. Clearly there was a point were Florida fell in love with pure athletes, and while they put big time athletes on the floor their volleyball wasnt exceptional. To me its not just about requiring talent, but rather players whose skills set compliment each other. Programs are so fixed on recruiting point scorers that they wind up not having kids who are facilitators. I think they get a lot of the kids they want, im not always sure they want the right kids. For one, like Texas they dont recruit passing. Coaches are a little naive IMO in that they feel like you recruit athletes and develop them into passers. As someone who is in the world of developing players, it isnt that easy. I think you have to recruit passing. I would also be interested to hear from UF fans about how much they feel players improve in that program as well. I couldn't have summed it up any better. |
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Post by goodtobeagator on Aug 29, 2012 19:23:14 GMT -5
;D I like the parts of this thread that are on topic so I will continue them. This will be an interesting year to say the least and I'm honestly very excited about that and anticipating the future of this team. Since I've been a fan Florida volleyball's reputation has been two things: high expectations and never getting the job done. This year is an outlier from tradition as expectations are very low and we don't graduate a huge talent at the end of the season (no disrespect to the seniors, but they aren't marquee names around the NCAA). What we have here is a transitional year where many underclassman will be mentored for leadership and starting roles. The new players (freshman and transfers) will gain valuable experience for next season but will have to endure some bumps along the way which is fine if we keep patient. I just hope the transferring out bug is vaccinated and that are team can stay consistent. Florida has always struck me as a program that gets great kids, but not neccesarily the right mix of kids. Clearly there was a point were Florida fell in love with pure athletes, and while they put big time athletes on the floor their volleyball wasnt exceptional. To me its not just about requiring talent, but rather players whose skills set compliment each other. Programs are so fixed on recruiting point scorers that they wind up not having kids who are facilitators. I think they get a lot of the kids they want, im not always sure they want the right kids. For one, like Texas they dont recruit passing. Coaches are a little naive IMO in that they feel like you recruit athletes and develop them into passers. As someone who is in the world of developing players, it isnt that easy. I think you have to recruit passing. I would also be interested to hear from UF fans about how much they feel players improve in that program as well. This is a fair assessment. I think we've started to do a better job using state aide to get walk on DSs to play here. Had Ward not transferred we would've had 2 pretty good 6 rotation outsides. That being said, now that we can use 15 subs, I think we will continue to get primary terminal outsides and sub in the back row. If you got em, use em as far as subbing goes. |
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Post by GatorVball on Aug 29, 2012 19:23:44 GMT -5
Seems like we are missing something here. Is there a prior history between sevb and g8rvball? and what happened to the original GatorvBall? I am still around. Real life has taken over however, so my ability to post here is diminished. I still follow the Gators, win or lose. I think before anyone writes off the recruiting efforts, let the season play out. From my understanding, uf has a couple of top notch players lined up for the coming seasons. programs ebb and flow. I think that Floridahas maintained a national presence for 20 years, in spite of winning the big one, says a lot about the staff and the girls they have been able to bring in. Sheesh, a week into the season and the large freshman class and 2012 team aren't even given a chance. |
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Post by NIVA4EVA on Aug 29, 2012 19:27:36 GMT -5
The recruiting part has never been the issue. Florida recruits - period. Only 4-5 programs have easier places to recruit. The problem is that I don't see the development on a regular basis and I think the conference has not consistently pushed Florida to play hard and compete regularly. Have their athletes developed? Sure, but put the nation's best athletes at the local girls club and they will find a way to get better if they play every other day.
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Post by floridaLOG on Aug 29, 2012 19:30:51 GMT -5
If we can pass well and run our offense, I think we can hang this weekend with the better teams. WE have three Ds's playing (Unroe,Monserez, and Pole) and therefore our defense should be good as well. I think our block will be pretty solid considering either right side being tall and mann and antwi can elevate. WE might not be pulling off any huge upsets this year, but next year with Naomi back and these athletic freshmen with a year under their belts, I think we could potentially be back to top ten. But I don't want to be one of those annoying fans who thinks their team can do anything, that really is an honest evaluation.
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Post by James on Aug 29, 2012 19:53:31 GMT -5
...This year is an outlier from tradition as expectations are very low... Of course last time expectations were low at Florida didn't they end up going 20-0 in the SEC? Maybe it's good that the spotlight is off them a little bit. |
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Aug 29, 2012 20:36:08 GMT -5
...This year is an outlier from tradition as expectations are very low... Of course last time expectations were low at Florida didn't they end up going 20-0 in the SEC? Maybe it's good that the spotlight is off them a little bit. Shhh...don't give away our secrets. Just go talk about Kelsey Robinson.  |
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Post by James on Aug 29, 2012 21:20:20 GMT -5
...Just go talk about Kelsey Robinson. Well OK, but only because you said to. |
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Post by liquid running on Aug 29, 2012 21:34:12 GMT -5
For whatever reason Florida seems to do better with recruits who are less heralded than Murphy and McGinnis -- Aury Cruz excepted. It looks as if Mary's getting players along the likes of Benavia Jenkins, Jenny Manz, Sherri Williams -- not as highly rated but with lots of potential. Now its a matter of whether she and the coaching staff still have the magic touch to getting the most out of them.
I also like that a lot of the freshmen are from the state -- just as Jenkins, Manz and Williams were. They are not as likely to transfer and may try a little bit harder out of state pride, playing in front of family and friends etc. The rise of FSU is even more motivation for the in-state players.
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Post by tex on Aug 30, 2012 7:03:22 GMT -5
For whatever reason Florida seems to do better with recruits who are less heralded than Murphy and McGinnis -- Aury Cruz excepted. It looks as if Mary's getting players along the likes of Benavia Jenkins, Jenny Manz, Sherri Williams -- not as highly rated but with lots of potential. Now its a matter of whether she and the coaching staff still have the magic touch to getting the most out of them. I also like that a lot of the freshmen are from the state -- just as Jenkins, Manz and Williams were. They are not as likely to transfer and may try a little bit harder out of state pride, playing in front of family and friends etc. The rise of FSU is even more motivation for the in-state players. Yes, and keep in mind that due in part to that rise of FSU some in-state and southeast players who would've jumped at the chance to sign with UF now hope for a spot on FSU's roster. Since the Seminoles made it to the Elite 8 in 2009 their recruiting success has completely turned around and UF has lost some ground in that respect. The players Mary refused to even consider a few years ago have helped raise FSU to that level. That being said, (almost) every team cycles in and out of great years in recruiting and performance on the court. All in all, though, thinking this might be the year FSU finally beats UF. As always, it will be an interesting match. |
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