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Post by karrietfan on Mar 31, 2014 18:31:56 GMT -5
Btw can anyone link me to the record book or site that has the record for tournament appearances. I remember reading it somehwere I just can't find it Google up Hawaii Athletics.com, Additional Links on the right, and 2013 media guide.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 31, 2014 18:37:28 GMT -5
Btw can anyone link me to the record book or site that has the record for tournament appearances. I remember reading it somehwere I just can't find it Google up Hawaii Athletics.com, Additional Links on the right, and 2013 media guide. Oh I know that, but I was wondering if anyone has the one that had the complete record for all teams. Hawaii is second I know that.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Mar 31, 2014 19:24:42 GMT -5
I'm sadden that some people would think so little of what Dave Shoji has done for the Wahine volleyball program and women's collegiate volleyball in general, Hawaii was the first in so many things, the first west coast team other than the California schools to win national titles. Hawaii was the first team in the NCAA to win back-to-back national titles, and I'm so proud to say that I was a part of that accomplishment. Of the many great coaches in the country, and they are the best of the best....Russ Rose, Andy Banachowski, Don Shaw, John Dunning, Mick Haley, and Mike Hebert. Dave Shoji was selected to the NCAA 25th Anniversary Team (as coach), with a Wahine (Deitre Collins) headlining that team of fantastic players which includes Logan Tom, Danielle Scott, and Kerri Walsh to name a few. And still Dave Shoji is not relevant? He does a fantastic job with the players he gets, not top-notch players, but he works his magic with these girls, and they come to love him and trust him, and look up to him as a coach, a leader, a father figure, these girls go on to become All-Americans and some become national player of the year, some of these girls go on to represent not only the University but also the entire state and the country at the Olympic Games. Dave Shoji is always on top of his conference, and always fields a national top 10 program year in and year out. This is his last year as a coach, I still see that drive, that fire in his eyes, that 5th national title that has eluded him for over two decades. Whoever takes over as head coach will have an overwhelming task ahead of maintaining that national status, and keeping the Wahine amongst the top programs in the country. Yes, Dave has not won a national title in ages, but he has maintained that status, and no one will ever take Hawaii lightly especially as an opponent. I'm so proud to have been a Wahine and to have played for such a great coach and person. I'm so proud to represent the State of Hawaii and the university. For this white girl from the mainland, who never thought of herself as a good volleyball player, always had doubt in her abilities, was able to overcome that and help win for Dave and this beautiful state, these beautiful people. it was an honor! Hi Wiz. I wasn't even born yet when you and Deitre played for UH but from what my mom and my older sister say, the older teams were defensive and quick, and then I saw clips of the team and it blew my mind. Deitre hits so hard and puts up such a big block, I became a big fan. Thanks for being good role models to girls every where!!!!<3
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Mar 31, 2014 21:28:28 GMT -5
Shoji is relevant how? Please provide examples instead of trying to be witty. Because I can give you several examples of why I called him of little relevance again from what I already said. Of course rehashing his accomplishment to ME does not equates to relevance just respect because of it. Relevance in this instance has to do with a coach being able to turn a program around and inject new life into it. Or having the kind coaching staff that continues to help you to win national championships or at least make the finals consistently for many years. And if that isn't possible, than have innovative trainning/coaching methods that help grow the sport. Or have the uber top high schoolers committing to your program because they want to play for you. As I said there are a lot of good coaches today. Being a good coach doesn't mean relevance. It's two different things. it's a little strange. i do see both sides of the argument. hawaiivb seems to focus on what shoji hasn't done to claim he's no longer relevant. but others are focusing on what shoji has done and continues to do, to claim that he is. i for one think shoji is still very much relevant. in many ways, he's a lone standout in the volleyball landscape. --He was one of a short list of coaches that took a non-BCS team to the Final Four in the last decade or so (since the advent of the BCS in 1998). And he did it from a decidedly weak conference. Hawaii made it to the Final Four in the early 2000s, and as recent as 2009. That's not that long ago. Stanford -- with their elite recruits -- hasn't been to the Final Four since 2008. --He was national coach of the year in 1982 and 2009. His peers still think him relevant. Other once-prominent programs have fallen from the national scene (Long Beach St, Pacific, UCSB), but Hawaii has maintained its presence in the national rankings. That's a tremendous testament to Shoji. He has kept Hawaii on the volleyball map, even after the move to the WAC. (By analogy, consider the women's basketball program at Louisiana Tech. They were once a national powerhouse, frequently earning a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. After the school moved to the WAC -- also a weak conference for women's basketball -- LaTech slowly fell into mediocrity. The program is now a shadow of its former self.) That could have easily happened to Hawaii volleyball when it moved to the WAC. But it didn't. --He runs the only profitable volleyball program in the nation, with attendance records that were only broken last year by Nebraska. (Even Cook commented that the new arena commissioned by Nebraska last year will bring in more money, but due to their expenses, they still will finish in the red.) --He continues to put together some of the most competitive preconference tournaments at the start of each season. Hawaii relies on these tough play-dates to boost its RPI, to make up for the failings of their own conference. Only once has this preconference scheduling failed to garner Hawaii a seed come tournament-time. I would love to see Hawaii win another national title. Every fan/poster on both sides of this argument would. That goes without saying. Maybe Hawaii isn't always on the "short list" for national title contenders every year (although hawaii is still almost always in the "conversation"). This doesn't make Shoji irrelevant. If anything, what Shoji continues to accomplish is highly relevant, because it flies in the face of the BCS trend that has come dominate the sport.
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Post by madonna on Apr 1, 2014 15:38:00 GMT -5
--He was national coach of the year in 1982 and 2009. His peers still think him relevant. Other once-prominent programs have fallen from the national scene (Long Beach St, Pacific, UCSB), but Hawaii has maintained its presence in the national rankings. That's a tremendous testament to Shoji. He has kept Hawaii on the volleyball map, even after the move to the WAC. (By analogy, consider the women's basketball program at Louisiana Tech. They were once a national powerhouse, frequently earning a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. After the school moved to the WAC -- also a weak conference for women's basketball -- LaTech slowly fell into mediocrity. The program is now a shadow of its former self.) That could have easily happened to Hawaii volleyball when it moved to the WAC. But it didn't. Just wanted to add that the LaTech's Head Coach at the time of their national powerhouse status didn't like that LaTech was moving to the WAC. He ended up retiring as Head Coach after one year of LaTech being in the WAC, thus leading to LaTech's decline from their perennial top 25 rankings. I just hope the Head Coach that will be hired after Shoji retires can continue the Wahine volleyball program's success without missing a beat to avoid what had happened to the LaTech's women's basketball program.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 1, 2014 16:47:56 GMT -5
--He was national coach of the year in 1982 and 2009. His peers still think him relevant. Other once-prominent programs have fallen from the national scene (Long Beach St, Pacific, UCSB), but Hawaii has maintained its presence in the national rankings. That's a tremendous testament to Shoji. He has kept Hawaii on the volleyball map, even after the move to the WAC. (By analogy, consider the women's basketball program at Louisiana Tech. They were once a national powerhouse, frequently earning a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. After the school moved to the WAC -- also a weak conference for women's basketball -- LaTech slowly fell into mediocrity. The program is now a shadow of its former self.) That could have easily happened to Hawaii volleyball when it moved to the WAC. But it didn't. Just wanted to add that the LaTech's Head Coach at the time of their national powerhouse status didn't like that LaTech was moving to the WAC. He ended up retiring as Head Coach after one year of LaTech being in the WAC, thus leading to LaTech's decline from their perennial top 25 rankings. I just hope the Head Coach that will be hired after Shoji retires can continue the Wahine volleyball program's success without missing a beat to avoid what had happened to the LaTech's women's basketball program. thanks madonna, for the additional insight into LaTech's situation. it only makes what Shoji has done (and continues to do) all the more remarkable. LaTech's coach wasn't up to the challenge. Shoji has kept his program running at a competitive and elite level, despite all the conference realignments, which of course, are beyond his control. other programs have seen their budgets and recruiting make big gains, as BCS money has trickled down to them. Shoji has maintained his program's profile, despite losing the strength and prominence of the conference his team competes in.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 2, 2014 20:24:26 GMT -5
Dave is and always be a legend in volleyball
Its honestly crazy to think otherwise
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Post by HawaiiVB on Apr 2, 2014 23:55:45 GMT -5
Again people I never said he (Dave) was not relevant, what I said was, that to me because of the many factors that have seen the sport grow into the second most popular women's sport nation wide and because of the consistent continued success of other schools that have been dominating the landscape for over a decade, he is less relevant today then when he was one of a handful of coaches that pioneered the college sport. And that his professional history although poignant, does not make him more relevant than in the past. It is a natural progression to have evolvement in any process. looking at the present, I would categorize a handful of other coaches who are carrying the leader torch for the sport. In the end, all good coaches cease coaching.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Apr 3, 2014 4:12:24 GMT -5
Again people I never said he (Dave) was not relevant, what I said was, that to me because of the many factors that have seen the sport grow into the second most popular women's sport nation wide and because of the consistent continued success of other schools that have been dominating the landscape for over a decade, he is less relevant today then when he was one of a handful of coaches that pioneered the college sport. And that his professional history although poignant, does not make him more relevant than in the past. It is a natural progression to have evolvement in any process. looking at the present, I would categorize a handful of other coaches who are carrying the leader torch for the sport. In the end, all good coaches cease coaching. I think you should've used another word instead of "relevant" since you're saying you never said Dave was NOT "relevant". I can think of other coaches that haven't been in the top for a while like Brian Gimmillaro. I mean I hate to use Brian as an example, but LBSU hasn't cracked the top 25, let alone the top 10 since 2001. Gimmillaro is another guru when it comes to transforming athletes into great players. But I would never discredit his abilities as a coach because we all know, if Brian gets the recruits that the PAC-12, Big 10, Big 12 schools are getting...you better watch out! And the same goes for Dave Shoji. The BCS schools are reaping the rewards these days, the sport is no longer what it used to be, where the West Coast dominated. Every program is very competitive and strong these days. Their is a lot of parity across the board.
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