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Post by future on Oct 4, 2012 20:41:06 GMT -5
This rule change will be far far more dramatic on the guys side and will put some guys on the sideline.
Here comes the short serve.
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Post by justadad on Oct 4, 2012 22:32:18 GMT -5
Phildunphy, (Great screen name)
When I was drafting the post I took a portion out, sorry. The comparison of the two platforms (hands and arms) was in respect to side-to-side motion of the float serve. The hands provide a much wider base for taking the float. In conjunction with moving up to the 12 foot line to take the drop of the float serve away, the hand passer neutralizes the aerodynamic effectiveness of the serve. This side-to-side motion is the hardest part of passing a float with the arms. Of course, that is until Future gets in there and starts drop balls short...
Future,
I'm with you, I think this is going to be a great rule for the men's game. While much of the discussion on this board is about the big boys - DI. I think this rule is going to affect D-III the most. Ironically, this is where volleyball is actually growing and most.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 23:53:54 GMT -5
Thank goodness Joe doesn't need to pass this year! Go Ramblers!
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Post by bbk on Oct 5, 2012 8:53:39 GMT -5
Future, I'm with you, I think this is going to be a great rule for the men's game. While much of the discussion on this board is about the big boys - DI. I think this rule is going to affect D-III the most. Ironically, this is where volleyball is actually growing and most. Most coaches at the College Level knew this was coming as those have said it has been discussed in meetings for quite some time. In D III VB the number of subs will give those who have great (forearm) ball control more opportunities to get on the court.
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Post by phildunphy on Oct 5, 2012 13:04:21 GMT -5
Phildunphy, (Great screen name) When I was drafting the post I took a portion out, sorry. The comparison of the two platforms (hands and arms) was in respect to side-to-side motion of the float serve. The hands provide a much wider base for taking the float. In conjunction with moving up to the 12 foot line to take the drop of the float serve away, the hand passer neutralizes the aerodynamic effectiveness of the serve. This side-to-side motion is the hardest part of passing a float with the arms. Of course, that is until Future gets in there and starts drop balls short... WTF...why the face? That makes a lot more sense than what you were saying before you removed whatever portion it was. I agree with most here that the boy's side of the game will be most affected by this change...far more than the college and pro game. I would definitely look out for future's teams now. With the ball control he will be able to teach again...guys will be hitting the hut like champs!
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Post by roger on Oct 5, 2012 15:46:09 GMT -5
NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY THE RECEIVER COULD MANGLE A SERVE BUT THE SETTER WAS CALLED FOR ANY BALL ACTION. WHY IS ONE RESTRICTED AND THE OTHER ALLOWED?
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Post by future on Oct 5, 2012 17:30:59 GMT -5
Phildunphy, (Great screen name) When I was drafting the post I took a portion out, sorry. The comparison of the two platforms (hands and arms) was in respect to side-to-side motion of the float serve. The hands provide a much wider base for taking the float. In conjunction with moving up to the 12 foot line to take the drop of the float serve away, the hand passer neutralizes the aerodynamic effectiveness of the serve. This side-to-side motion is the hardest part of passing a float with the arms. Of course, that is until Future gets in there and starts drop balls short... WTF...why the face? That makes a lot more sense than what you were saying before you removed whatever portion it was. I agree with most here that the boy's side of the game will be most affected by this change...far more than the college and pro game. I would definitely look out for future's teams now. With the ball control he will be able to teach again...guys will be hitting the hut like champs! Well Phil.....haven't seen many Joe's, Max's, Matty', John's , Jeffrey's etc walking through the gym doors for a couple years and ultimately Athletes are the main ingredient. Hopefully it will cycle back soon enough. ;D
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Post by baywatcher on Oct 6, 2012 11:15:28 GMT -5
If teams go to two receivers who can handle floats, cannot the other team pull out the ol jump serve and go for the creases?
I think it was lambourne that talked about dealing with pressure as a "float" serve zeroed in..it'll be interesting to see what the guys can come up with.
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Post by volleyballhawk on Oct 6, 2012 12:40:50 GMT -5
Phil, calling you "mental" is not name calling. It's all in jest.
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Post by Semp12 on Oct 7, 2012 19:02:04 GMT -5
Does the D1 team still take the pure offense athlete who can't pass even in the slightest with the new rule is the question? The best athletes can just move to the Right-side, but what about the rest?
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Post by donaldtrump71 on Oct 7, 2012 19:03:21 GMT -5
Not the biggest fan of the change. I see where the rules committee is coming from, but personally I don't find it necessary or an improvement.
I think this takes the middles out of the offense far too much. Passing with arms only isn't impossible, but I can think of plenty of instances where I certainly would have been aced if not for a (questionably legal) hand pass.
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Post by fingrbustr on Oct 10, 2012 16:53:32 GMT -5
its already in the works to be instituted in the NCAA for the men in the 2013-2014 season Any truth to this? Seems kinda soon, don't you think?
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Post by thumpvb on Oct 15, 2012 10:50:06 GMT -5
Whether you like this rule or not this rule will have a big time impact on the men's game for two to three years.
For those of you old timers that say "well they used to do it before it will be no big deal" you are forgetting an important fact. Before the rule change everyone was trained to pass with their forearms from the time they started playing all the way up through the olympic level. Now you are making a rule change that will force coaches to "reprogram their passers, and maybe even their passing systems. Phil you are right people are standing at 12-15 feet anytime a float server comes up, and taking it with their hands. You are wrong when you think that they can just back up to 20' and automatically pass nails. Passing floaters with your forearms is a finesse skill. You don't just get it by backing up a few feet. It takes time to develop that kind of skill.
Oh and just a note. rally scoring is not more forgiving of service errors. You may not have been able to score if you didn't serve in, but it didn't cost you a point either.
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Post by halesvb11 on Oct 15, 2012 11:09:44 GMT -5
One thing that I'm interested to hear others thoughts on is this...
When they went the way of the "mangle" they also instituted let serve. Most of the time anything that hits the net slows down drastically and is easy enough to pass. Those ones that trickle over that occasionally are taken by the middles now have to be taken with a platform.
Anyone have any thoughts on how let serves may play into this? I know it's kind of moot because you can't do it on purpose but it does add a level of complexity to the whole situation.
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Post by planetasia01 on Oct 15, 2012 12:41:03 GMT -5
From what I've experienced most let serves are taken with forearms anyway. Anybody seen different?
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