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Post by thenetset on Jun 1, 2013 15:00:26 GMT -5
Portugal won match 2 vs Finland, in 5 sets (23-25, 25-23, 25-23, 23-25, 15-12). I'm mildly surprised to see them win even once, even in such a ridiculously close match. It'll take a bit more for me to think of them as anything more than an afterthought in this tournament, though.
And Korea beat Japan in 4 sets (25-22, 25-20, 21-25, 25-19).
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Post by Murina on Jun 1, 2013 22:18:53 GMT -5
Oh so it's about club play rather than international. That makes....slightly more sense. I still don't see why the country you're leaving has the power to restrict you from playing elsewhere. Federations (national, continental, and international) have responsibility to protect both players & clubs. Obviously the players need to be treated fairly. The clubs who spend time & money to train and develop players also have to be protected. The FIVB has rules that everyone has to abide by and is the ultimate authority over all international transfers. The FIVB also directly oversees transfers of players between countries of two different continents (like Cuba of NORCECA & a country in the CEV). The Cuban federation is within it's right to refuse to allow any of it's players to transfer to a foreign league, but the FIVB has a rule that also protects the player in this case. The rule is that if a player has lived in a foreign country, and been inactive in FIVB controlled volleyball for 2 years, the FIVB can take over the duties of the player's home country. If the player chooses to take new citizenship he would be eligible to play for the national team of his new home (limit of one change of national team per player). Cuba is also well within it's rights to decide who represents the country in international competition. They have decided that anyone who leaves the island will not be called to the national team. This has been a long standing position of the Cuban Federation. It seems stupid from the outside, but it is what it is. |
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Post by lionsarm on Jun 1, 2013 22:48:10 GMT -5
Wilfredo Leon could legitimately be a freshman at some NCAA school next year should he chooses. Just amazing how young he is!
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Post by vbc1 on Jun 1, 2013 23:04:53 GMT -5
Wilfredo Leon could legitimately be a freshman at some NCAA school next year should he chooses. Just amazing how young he is! Yeah, at the NAIA level. No way the 'millions' he has already made can match any amateurism rule set by the NCAA. It would be fun to see him in some matches, however. |
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Post by lionsarm on Jun 1, 2013 23:13:08 GMT -5
I maybe wrong, but playing in Cuba and not leaving for any other pro team still makes him an amateur since the Cuban federation considers all of its players amateurs.
I think yosleyder cala is a good example. He was on the Cuban national team, defected, and still qualified for byu. Cala played two years at byu before bolting for the big bucks in Europe.
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Post by thenetset on Jun 2, 2013 3:37:40 GMT -5
So week 1 in Pool C has Korea at 2-0, Japan at 0-2, and Canada, Netherlands, Finland, and Portugal all at 1-1. All three pools will be in action next week. Canada host Portugal (better be two wins), and in Pool A USA will host Argentina.
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Post by dusty64 on Jun 2, 2013 8:57:57 GMT -5
Portugal won match 2 vs Finland, in 5 sets (23-25, 25-23, 25-23, 23-25, 15-12). I'm mildly surprised to see them win even once, even in such a ridiculously close match. It'll take a bit more for me to think of them as anything more than an afterthought in this tournament, though. And Korea beat Japan in 4 sets (25-22, 25-20, 21-25, 25-19). Portugal has a good team, renovated team, less experiented but talented. Dont underestimate these kind of teams. Last year Poland and Canada lost a game vs. Finland, and two years ago the same happ to USA. Alex Ferreira (Portugal) scored SEVEN aces, remember this name. |
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Post by bAnthony on Jun 2, 2013 17:58:38 GMT -5
I maybe wrong, but playing in Cuba and not leaving for any other pro team still makes him an amateur since the Cuban federation considers all of its players amateurs. I think yosleyder cala is a good example. He was on the Cuban national team, defected, and still qualified for byu. Cala played two years at byu before bolting for the big bucks in Europe. You also have to remember that BYU got busted by the NCAA for the whole Cala ordeal. Their violations came in 3 areas: 1. A BYU parent paid for his legal fees to get him into the country. 2. He was using a bike someone gave to him. 3. While making less than other people at his place of employment since he was new, it was still deemed he was making too much by the NCAA. It might be a risk for an NCAA team to take getting Leon on their roster. It sure would be fun to see someone try. While Cala had an awful attitude (he was cut by SKRA for having a bad attitude too), there were times he did some pretty incredible things with the ball. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 13:56:45 GMT -5
When will we know which 12 athletes will comprise the US World League roster this weekend?
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Post by robonthemic on Jun 3, 2013 22:39:14 GMT -5
Being that the team is flying out on Wednesday morning my guess would be on Tuesday night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 19:49:39 GMT -5
Being that the team is flying out on Wednesday morning my guess would be on Tuesday night. Ok so who will be at the airport to see who in fact gets on the plane? Seriously though, guesses on starting line up for this weekend? |
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Post by surfah on Jun 5, 2013 1:38:44 GMT -5
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Post by surfah on Jun 5, 2013 1:39:27 GMT -5
12-Man Roster for FIVB World League on June 7-8 in Wichita, Kan.
No. Name (Position, Height, Hometown, College)
1. Matt Anderson (OH, 6-10, West Seneca, N.Y., Penn State)
4. David Lee (MB, 6-8, Alpine, Calif., Long Beach State)
6. Paul Lotman (OH, 6-7, Lakewood, Calif., Long Beach State)
7. Kawika Shoji (S, 6-3, Honolulu, Hawaii, Stanford)
9. Murphy Troy (Opp, 6-8, St. Louis, Mo., USC)
10. Tony Ciarelli (OH, 6-6, Huntington Beach, Calif., USC)
11. Brian Thornton (S, 6-3, San Clemente, Calif., UC Irvine)
13. Matt Rawson (MB, 6-7, Westchester, Calif., Hawaii)
15. Carson Clark (Opp, 6-8, Santa Barbara, Calif., UC Irvine)
18. Garrett Muagututia (OH, 6-5, Oceanside, Calif., UCLA)
20. David Smith (MB, 6-7, Saugus, Calif., UC Irvine)
22. Erik Shoji (L, 6-0, Honolulu, Hawaii, Stanford)
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Post by jna on Jun 5, 2013 7:28:23 GMT -5
12-Man Roster for FIVB World League on June 7-8 in Wichita, Kan. No. Name (Position, Height, Hometown, College) 1. Matt Anderson (OH, 6-10, West Seneca, N.Y., Penn State) 4. David Lee (MB, 6-8, Alpine, Calif., Long Beach State) 6. Paul Lotman (OH, 6-7, Lakewood, Calif., Long Beach State) 7. Kawika Shoji (S, 6-3, Honolulu, Hawaii, Stanford) 9. Murphy Troy (Opp, 6-8, St. Louis, Mo., USC) 10. Tony Ciarelli (OH, 6-6, Huntington Beach, Calif., USC) 11. Brian Thornton (S, 6-3, San Clemente, Calif., UC Irvine) 13. Matt Rawson (MB, 6-7, Westchester, Calif., Hawaii) 15. Carson Clark (Opp, 6-8, Santa Barbara, Calif., UC Irvine) 18. Garrett Muagututia (OH, 6-5, Oceanside, Calif., UCLA) 20. David Smith (MB, 6-7, Saugus, Calif., UC Irvine) 22. Erik Shoji (L, 6-0, Honolulu, Hawaii, Stanford) YES, YES!. I have no words to describe how excited I am about the WL this year. I believe the reason why Holt, Menzel and Patak are missing this first round is because they are our secret weapons against stronger teams. That's why John Speraw is putting players like Garrett Muagututia to test against an average team like Argentina at the beginning of the competition. I am so anxious for this match!.  |
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Post by 30killspergame on Jun 5, 2013 16:59:09 GMT -5
I doubt Menzel and Patak are "secret weapons". Holt obviously is, he might be getting a rest from a really LONG season. I think John recognizes that Clark and Troy have more upside than Patak and will try to accelerate their development. That's my opinion. David lee is another player who would not be here but because he was part time last season and only played champions league matches John is making a rare exception.
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