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Post by hornfanaustin on Mar 12, 2019 12:58:21 GMT -5
Definitely could be basketball for Lauren Ware. I'd say she is likely to sign a basketball scholarship, which would also allow her to compete on the volleyball squad at some point. She could even cross over to volleyball permanently (and switch to a vball scholarship should that happen) if her athletic priorities changes along the way. Being a Gatorade POY in both sports is an awesome feat; congrats to her for that. she can only play both on a basketball scholarship correct? "only play" (?)
She can play both on either sport on a basketball or a volleyball scholarship, depending on what the coaches agree to.
We did this with Sarah Hattis, who was a star VB and BB player out of New Mexico. She ping-ponged between both UT teams, eventually picking basketball for her senior year. Then, she decided to grad-transfer after her senior year as a BB player to Arizona State. She's now playing BB in Europe.
(As both a BB and VB player, she was average)
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 12, 2019 13:06:23 GMT -5
she can only play both on a basketball scholarship correct? "only play" (?) She can play both on either sport on a basketball or a volleyball scholarship, depending on what the coaches agree to.
We did this with Sarah Hattis, who was a star VB and BB player out of New Mexico. She ping-ponged between both UT teams, eventually picking basketball for her senior year. Then, she decided to grad-transfer after her senior year as a BB player to Arizona State. She's now playing BB in Europe. (As both a BB and VB player, she was average)
I thought there was a rule with scholarships to prevent basketball coaches absuing volleyball scholarships etc, like they do in beach. I know if you are on a beach schollie, you cannot play indoor for 2 years or so.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Mar 12, 2019 13:16:55 GMT -5
"only play" (?) She can play both on either sport on a basketball or a volleyball scholarship, depending on what the coaches agree to.
We did this with Sarah Hattis, who was a star VB and BB player out of New Mexico. She ping-ponged between both UT teams, eventually picking basketball for her senior year. Then, she decided to grad-transfer after her senior year as a BB player to Arizona State. She's now playing BB in Europe. (As both a BB and VB player, she was average)
I thought there was a rule with scholarships to prevent basketball coaches absuing volleyball scholarships etc, like they do in beach. I know if you are on a beach schollie, you cannot play indoor for 2 years or so. Don't know what to say. I know that they documented the coaches joking about "sharing" her during the season in articles. We have football players running track and playing football, but doing it all while on the football scholarship.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 12, 2019 13:20:17 GMT -5
I thought there was a rule with scholarships to prevent basketball coaches absuing volleyball scholarships etc, like they do in beach. I know if you are on a beach schollie, you cannot play indoor for 2 years or so. Don't know what to say. I know that they documented the coaches joking about "sharing" her during the season in articles. We have football players running track and playing football, but doing it all while on the football scholarship. Yes, I believe the more popular sport takes prescedence. So I hattis, if she played both, was most likely on a basketball scholarship while she played both.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Mar 12, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
Don't know what to say. I know that they documented the coaches joking about "sharing" her during the season in articles. We have football players running track and playing football, but doing it all while on the football scholarship. Yes, I believe the more popular sport takes prescedence. So I hattis, if she played both, was most likely on a basketball scholarship while she played both. We're all still waiting on the next Destinee Hooker, who came into Texas on a track scholarship.
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Post by horns1 on Mar 12, 2019 14:01:40 GMT -5
Definitely could be basketball for Lauren Ware. I'd say she is likely to sign a basketball scholarship, which would also allow her to compete on the volleyball squad at some point. She could even cross over to volleyball permanently (and switch to a vball scholarship should that happen) if her athletic priorities changes along the way. Being a Gatorade POY in both sports is an awesome feat; congrats to her for that. she can only play both on a basketball scholarship correct? Correct.
There is a "hierarchy" in both men's and women's collegiate sports.
For the men, it's football at the top, followed by basketball, baseball, and then the others follow. So, a recruit who signs a football scholarship can play as many sports as he wants. But, a recruit who signs a basketball scholarship can NOT also play football (unless they permanently switch to a football scholarship).
For the women, it's basketball at the top, followed by volleyball (I think), and then the others follow. So, a recruit who signs a basketball scholarship can play as many sports as she wants. But, a recruit who signs a volleyball scholarship can NOT also play basketball (unless they permanently switch to a basketball scholarship).
Rule was implemented so football programs wouldn't abuse scholarship limits by "hiding" players in Track & Field, etc.
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Post by horns1 on Mar 12, 2019 14:09:32 GMT -5
Yes, I believe the more popular sport takes prescedence. So I hattis, if she played both, was most likely on a basketball scholarship while she played both. We're all still waiting on the next Destinee Hooker, who came into Texas on a track scholarship.
I don't think that's accurate from what I recall; but, never thought about all the details
Destinee Hooker signed an LOI with the women's volleyball team as a high school senior in November 2005. But, she was an early enrollee at Texas in January 2006. She competed in both Indoor and Outdoor Track & Field that Spring semester; she may have practice with the volleyball team during the Spring, as well, which would have meant she needed to be on a full volleyball scholarship. And, that would have meant someone from the 2005 Fall volleyball roster would have needed to vacate (transfer or graduate in December) in order to create an open scholarship for Destinee.
Had she come in on a T&F (partial) scholarship for the Spring semester, she would not have been able to participate in any volleyball practices. And, hard to believe an athlete of that caliber (and her family) would have "settled" for a partial scholarship from any school.
Regardless, after the Spring semester, she would definitely have been on a full volleyball scholarship for the remainder of her UT career.
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Post by stevehorn on Mar 12, 2019 14:09:42 GMT -5
I thought there was a rule with scholarships to prevent basketball coaches absuing volleyball scholarships etc, like they do in beach. I know if you are on a beach schollie, you cannot play indoor for 2 years or so. Don't know what to say. I know that they documented the coaches joking about "sharing" her during the season in articles. We have football players running track and playing football, but doing it all while on the football scholarship. There is a pecking order of scholarships for both men's and women's sports. Pretty sure in women's sports, basketball is #1 and volleyball is #2. If an athlete is playing both, then she has to be on a basketball scholarship and counts against the basketball numbers. A small exception is if a true freshman plays volleyball, but redshirts that year in basketball. In that case, she could be on volleyball scholarship and wouldn't go on a basketball scholarship until she plays a basketball game.
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Post by horns1 on Mar 12, 2019 14:13:35 GMT -5
Don't know what to say. I know that they documented the coaches joking about "sharing" her during the season in articles. We have football players running track and playing football, but doing it all while on the football scholarship. Yes, I believe the more popular sport takes prescedence. So I hattis, if she played both, was most likely on a basketball scholarship while she played both. Sara Hattis initially signed an LOI with the women's volleyball team. She later (maybe after her sophomore volleyball season?) decided to also play basketball in December (and for the Spring semester); so, she had to vacate her volleyball scholarship and was placed on a basketball scholarship.
A year later, I believe, she gave up volleyball permanently, and only played basketball at Texas.
She eventually grad-transferred to Arizona State to play her one remaining year of hoops eligibility with the Sun Devils.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Mar 12, 2019 14:14:09 GMT -5
Don't know what to say. I know that they documented the coaches joking about "sharing" her during the season in articles. We have football players running track and playing football, but doing it all while on the football scholarship. There is a pecking order of scholarships for both men's and women's sports. Pretty sure in women's sports, basketball is #1 and volleyball is #2. If an athlete is playing both, then she has to be on a basketball scholarship and counts against the basketball numbers. A small exception is if a true freshman plays volleyball, but redshirts that year in basketball. In that case, she could be on volleyball scholarship and wouldn't go on a basketball scholarship until she plays a basketball game. Interesting in that it assumes that a school (or is it the NCAA) values their basketball above their volleyball. Maybe it's a combination of attendance & money generated.
Another reply to this thread (which I don't disagree with) stated that volleyball would be "above" Track and Field.
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Post by horns1 on Mar 12, 2019 14:18:55 GMT -5
Kristin Folkl at Stanford and Natalie Williams at UCLA also played both volleyball and basketball at their respective schools, but not all 4 seasons, I don't believe.
I do recall that Folkl signed an LOI for BASKETBALL with Stanford in November of her senior season; back then, women's volleyball recruits could not sign their LOIs until February of their senior high school seasons. So, it was smart to get that signed LOI in, and not have to sweat another two months of indecision, or a last minute change of heart. I know she played volleyball her freshman season at Stanford, but not sure if she also played basketball that academic year, or waited a year.
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Post by horns1 on Mar 12, 2019 14:25:29 GMT -5
There is a pecking order of scholarships for both men's and women's sports. Pretty sure in women's sports, basketball is #1 and volleyball is #2. If an athlete is playing both, then she has to be on a basketball scholarship and counts against the basketball numbers. A small exception is if a true freshman plays volleyball, but redshirts that year in basketball. In that case, she could be on volleyball scholarship and wouldn't go on a basketball scholarship until she plays a basketball game. Interesting in that it assumes that a school (or is it the NCAA) values their basketball above their volleyball. Maybe it's a combination of attendance & money generated.
Another reply to this thread (which I don't disagree with) stated that volleyball would be "above" Track and Field.
Even to this day, there are only a few schools where the women's volleyball coach earns more than the women's basketball coach. Schools like Nebraska, Penn State, Florida, and Hawaii come to mind.
Oklahoma might have softball head coach Patti Gasso as their highest head coach at like $1 million, but women's hoops Sherri Coale also is paid over a $1 million, I believe. That will likely change if OU fires Sherri Coale soon based on a downward-spiraling hoops program
The majority of schools have their women's basketball head coach as the highest paid coach among the different women's athletic programs , including Texas (which I actually think should make Jerritt the highest paid as he has had more success and better attendance than women's hoops over the last 10+ years).
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Post by stevehorn on Mar 12, 2019 14:48:05 GMT -5
There is a pecking order of scholarships for both men's and women's sports. Pretty sure in women's sports, basketball is #1 and volleyball is #2. If an athlete is playing both, then she has to be on a basketball scholarship and counts against the basketball numbers. A small exception is if a true freshman plays volleyball, but redshirts that year in basketball. In that case, she could be on volleyball scholarship and wouldn't go on a basketball scholarship until she plays a basketball game. Interesting in that it assumes that a school (or is it the NCAA) values their basketball above their volleyball. Maybe it's a combination of attendance & money generated.
Another reply to this thread (which I don't disagree with) stated that volleyball would be "above" Track and Field.
It is the NCAA, not the individual schools, that determines the order of the sports. Don't know the exact criteria they used to determine the order. I'm sure it's intent is to have them in the order of the sports that schools would want to "add" scholarships if they were allowed to take them away from other sports.
As I said, volleyball is the #2 sport so it is above track and field.
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Post by stevehorn on Mar 12, 2019 15:11:49 GMT -5
We're all still waiting on the next Destinee Hooker, who came into Texas on a track scholarship.
I don't think that's accurate from what I recall; but, never thought about all the details
Destinee Hooker signed an LOI with the women's volleyball team as a high school senior in November 2005. But, she was an early enrollee at Texas in January 2006. She competed in both Indoor and Outdoor Track & Field that Spring semester; she may have practice with the volleyball team during the Spring, as well, which would have meant she needed to be on a full volleyball scholarship. And, that would have meant someone from the 2005 Fall volleyball roster would have needed to vacate (transfer or graduate in December) in order to create an open scholarship for Destinee.
Had she come in on a T&F (partial) scholarship for the Spring semester, she would not have been able to participate in any volleyball practices. And, hard to believe an athlete of that caliber (and her family) would have "settled" for a partial scholarship from any school.
Regardless, after the Spring semester, she would definitely have been on a full volleyball scholarship for the remainder of her UT career.
Not entirely accurate. An athlete doesn't have to be on scholarship in the "higher" sport until they actually play in a contest in that sport. For example, assume Destinee signed a track and field LOI instead of a volleyball one. She could have been on a track scholarship that spring instead of a volleyball one and still could have practiced with the volleyball team because she had played in a volleyball game. She could have even stayed on the track scholarship the following year if she had redshirted in volleyball (she could also have continued to practice volleyball). Back to the real situation, I'm sure she was on volleyball scholarship the entire time because she signed a volleyball LOI.
We almost had the above hypothetical situation for real a few years ago. Marquise Goodwin initially commited to UT in T&F his junior year and signed a track LOI. From a recruiting standpoint, he "blew up" in football his senior year and started getting a lot more interest on the football side. IIRC he decided that he would also play football and the initial plan was that he would be on the track scholarship his freshman year and redshirt in football. Once they got into fall camp (or maybe a bit before then), they saw his abilities, decided that he would play as a freshman, and switched his scholarship to football.
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Post by horns1 on Apr 8, 2019 13:26:21 GMT -5
She has a lot of warm-weather schools among her finalists:
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