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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 14, 2013 14:54:50 GMT -5
Apparently conditions were placed on her returning to Hawaii, and the same(?) conditions on her being given a release. Without knowing what her problem is or what the conditions are, it is impossible to tell whether one is commensurate with the other. We have no way of knowing whether the conditions are an overreaction or entirely warranted. We're like a blind man in a balloon poking around with a pin.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 14, 2013 15:02:33 GMT -5
Hawaii has to beat Arizona with Croson first to receive the RPI benefit you're talking about. Nope. RPI (in its basic form) does not care who you beat or who you lose to. The observation was 100% correct -- the more Arizona wins this year, the more benefit that Hawaii will get for having scheduled them. Actually, sasa is correct. Your own record counts for 25% of RPI, so Hawaii's RPI will benefit more from beating Arizona than from losing to them. Now, if you're talking about the SOS parts of the RPI formula, then you would be correct. The more losses Arizona has, and their opponents have, the worse will be Arizona's contribution to Hawaii's SOS. It is not a given that Hawaii won't lose more than they'll gain by playing Arizona, win or lose. Certainly, losing to Cal didn't help UH's RPI.
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Post by bigfan on Aug 14, 2013 18:51:32 GMT -5
We have no way of knowing whether the conditions are an overreaction or entirely warranted. We're like a blind man in a balloon poking around with a pin. Croson splits, Falyn splits...................tough times recently for the Wahine but most major programs have players who dont work out.
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Post by hammer on Aug 14, 2013 19:12:02 GMT -5
Apparently conditions were placed on her returning to Hawaii, and the same(?) conditions on her being given a release. Without knowing what her problem is or what the conditions are, it is impossible to tell whether one is commensurate with the other. We have no way of knowing whether the conditions are an overreaction or entirely warranted. We're like a blind man in a balloon poking around with a pin. Or like someone hiking through a Northern California state park. You never know when you'll run into a Marijuana farm.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 14, 2013 19:12:15 GMT -5
We have no way of knowing whether the conditions are an overreaction or entirely warranted. We're like a blind man in a balloon poking around with a pin. Croson splits, Falyn splits...................tough times recently for the Wahine but most major programs have players who dont work out. Well to be fair, Falyn never even stepped into a Wahine uniform. Just because a lot of fans "willed" it so (even penciling her into their personal wish-list lineups) ... doesn't make it so. Woulda been cool though ...
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 14, 2013 19:29:55 GMT -5
My point was that Shoji's conditions for her getting a release (and earlier for returning to the team) could be motivated by concern for her well-being rather than because Arizona happens to be on the schedule. Of course, we can't actually discuss in any detail why that might be true...
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Post by vbvalley on Aug 14, 2013 19:39:09 GMT -5
Has anyone considered how this looks to the Hawaii players and to the UH community if she is playing on September 14th for Arizona in Honolulu regarding Shoji as a extremely respected head coach if he caves in? What message does it send to the players? Although I certainly do not know all of the details, this is not a normal transfer such as being homesick, the coach leaving, the school just not being the right fit or the whole conference being restructured. She was also gone from the sand program right before the big regional tournament in Hermosa this last spring after playing all season up until then. Her not being there certainly did effect the results for the entire team....
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Post by bill on Aug 14, 2013 21:06:58 GMT -5
My point was that Shoji's conditions for her getting a release (and earlier for returning to the team) could be motivated by concern for her well-being rather than because Arizona happens to be on the schedule. Of course, we can't actually discuss in any detail why that might be true... And if Falyn couldn't get eligible at USC then she wasn't going to be able to do so anywhere....doesn't get any easier than USC
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 14, 2013 21:53:39 GMT -5
Has anyone considered how this looks to the Hawaii players and to the UH community if she is playing on September 14th for Arizona in Honolulu regarding Shoji as a extremely respected head coach if he caves in? What message does it send to the players? Although I certainly do not know all of the details, this is not a normal transfer such as being homesick, the coach leaving, the school just not being the right fit or the whole conference being restructured. She was also gone from the sand program right before the big regional tournament in Hermosa this last spring after playing all season up until then. Her not being there certainly did effect the results for the entire team.... i suspect the responses will be just as varied as the responses on this board.
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Post by bigfan on Aug 14, 2013 22:08:28 GMT -5
Has anyone considered how this looks to the Hawaii players and to the UH community if she is playing on September 14th for Arizona in Honolulu regarding Shoji as a extremely respected head coach if he caves in? What message does it send to the players? Although I certainly do not know all of the details, this is not a normal transfer such as being homesick, the coach leaving, the school just not being the right fit or the whole conference being restructured. She was also gone from the sand program right before the big regional tournament in Hermosa this last spring after playing all season up until then. Her not being there certainly did effect the results for the entire team.... i suspect the responses will be just as varied as the responses on this board. Players leave all the time. Why this big dust up?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 14, 2013 22:09:37 GMT -5
Has anyone considered how this looks to the Hawaii players and to the UH community if she is playing on September 14th for Arizona in Honolulu regarding Shoji as a extremely respected head coach if he caves in? What message does it send to the players? Although I certainly do not know all of the details, this is not a normal transfer such as being homesick, the coach leaving, the school just not being the right fit or the whole conference being restructured. She was also gone from the sand program right before the big regional tournament in Hermosa this last spring after playing all season up until then. Her not being there certainly did effect the results for the entire team.... You call this "caving"?: I'd call that "sticking to his guns"...
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 14, 2013 22:15:22 GMT -5
i suspect the responses will be just as varied as the responses on this board. You call this "caving"?: I'd call that "sticking to his guns"... where did i say Dave was caving? i've said on this board that it doesn't matter one way or another ...
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 14, 2013 22:18:16 GMT -5
Nope. RPI (in its basic form) does not care who you beat or who you lose to. The observation was 100% correct -- the more Arizona wins this year, the more benefit that Hawaii will get for having scheduled them. Actually, sasa is correct. Your own record counts for 25% of RPI, so Hawaii's RPI will benefit more from beating Arizona than from losing to them. Now, if you're talking about the SOS parts of the RPI formula, then you would be correct. The more losses Arizona has, and their opponents have, the worse will be Arizona's contribution to Hawaii's SOS. It is not a given that Hawaii won't lose more than they'll gain by playing Arizona, win or lose. Certainly, losing to Cal didn't help UH's RPI. well that depends on how much of an impact she could have for Arizona's season. The opponents Win/Loss percentage counts for 50% of the formula. So if Hawaii drops a match to Arizona and Arizona just wins a couple more matches over the course of the season with Croson, then the impact to Hawaii's RPI is negligible. But if with Croson Hawaii drops a match to Arizona and Arizona goes from being a 16-15 team to a 22-8 team then that probably helps Hawaii's rpi. Either way if Hawaii can't beat Arizona at home, even with Croson, they probably don't deserve a seed anyway....
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 14, 2013 22:30:32 GMT -5
Sorry, I was referring to vbvalley. Messed up the quoting...
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 15, 2013 19:54:04 GMT -5
i suspect the responses will be just as varied as the responses on this board. Players leave all the time. Why this big dust up? i dunno ... maybe because croson's transfer was probably the "perfect storm," if you will, of a player transferring. a top 10 recruit, who started from day 1, was a critical part of the team, and who both faced (during her time on the team) and then eventually left, under controversial (even mysterious) circumstances. that really is just a perfect storm right there ...
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