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Post by mnsports255 on Oct 17, 2013 12:15:58 GMT -5
Maybe Jade hasnt seen these postings yet ......just saying Really though, I'm surprised she committed to them, considering she actually had actually gotten offered from a Big 12 team, and a few MVC teams.
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 17, 2013 12:27:05 GMT -5
Maybe Jade hasnt seen these postings yet ......just saying Really though, I'm surprised she committed to them, considering she actually had actually gotten offered from a Big 12 team, and a few MVC teams. Do you think Jade isn't aware of the season Cincinnati is having? Generally, kids follow their potential teams before they commit to a school. A few key recruits and things start moving in the right direction. My guess is Jade figures into the "turning of the tide" type of recruit and will pull good talent along with her when other athletes they are recruiting see Cincinnati got a marquis kid. Molly and company are out there, working hard to improve their squad. All of the commotion with the coaching change is in the rear-view. Allowing the whole program to move forward rather than living in the past and constantly bringing up the nebulous situation around the change is critical.
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Post by mnsports255 on Oct 17, 2013 14:51:28 GMT -5
Really though, I'm surprised she committed to them, considering she actually had actually gotten offered from a Big 12 team, and a few MVC teams. Do you think Jade isn't aware of the season Cincinnati is having? Generally, kids follow their potential teams before they commit to a school. A few key recruits and things start moving in the right direction. My guess is Jade figures into the "turning of the tide" type of recruit and will pull good talent along with her when other athletes they are recruiting see Cincinnati got a marquis kid. Molly and company are out there, working hard to improve their squad. All of the commotion with the coaching change is in the rear-view. Allowing the whole program to move forward rather than living in the past and constantly bringing up the nebulous situation around the change is critical. Ok...? I'm saying she had a few offers from better teams out there, and that's not an opinion, it's a fact. I'm sure she'll make Cincinnati a better team by a lot! Not really sure what point you're trying to make here.
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Post by fortheloveofcincy on Oct 17, 2013 18:12:24 GMT -5
Do you think Jade isn't aware of the season Cincinnati is having? Generally, kids follow their potential teams before they commit to a school. A few key recruits and things start moving in the right direction. My guess is Jade figures into the "turning of the tide" type of recruit and will pull good talent along with her when other athletes they are recruiting see Cincinnati got a marquis kid. Molly and company are out there, working hard to improve their squad. All of the commotion with the coaching change is in the rear-view. Allowing the whole program to move forward rather than living in the past and constantly bringing up the nebulous situation around the change is critical. Ok...? I'm saying she had a few offers from better teams out there, and that's not an opinion, it's a fact. I'm sure she'll make Cincinnati a better team by a lot! Not really sure what point you're trying to make here.
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Post by fortheloveofcincy on Oct 17, 2013 18:21:06 GMT -5
No one is living in the past or looking in the rear view mirror. Molly's record speak for itself. This is squarely with her...no excuses . So for those of us who have support this program for decades we are deeply concerned about what we see happening. Hopefully, she fiqure it out an get Cincy back on the volleyball map.. Time will tell but this has been the largest drop in our history and it is painful! Go bearcats!!!!
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 17, 2013 18:35:35 GMT -5
Do you think Jade isn't aware of the season Cincinnati is having? Generally, kids follow their potential teams before they commit to a school. A few key recruits and things start moving in the right direction. My guess is Jade figures into the "turning of the tide" type of recruit and will pull good talent along with her when other athletes they are recruiting see Cincinnati got a marquis kid. Molly and company are out there, working hard to improve their squad. All of the commotion with the coaching change is in the rear-view. Allowing the whole program to move forward rather than living in the past and constantly bringing up the nebulous situation around the change is critical. Ok...? I'm saying she had a few offers from better teams out there, and that's not an opinion, it's a fact. I'm sure she'll make Cincinnati a better team by a lot! Not really sure what point you're trying to make here. What I am saying is she made the decision that is right for her. Maybe she wanted to be part of building a program and believed Cincy was the place she would be best. Maybe she just loved the school and the coaches. Your assertion that she had better offers is what annoys me. Clearly, this kid believes this is her best offer. Good luck to her and the bearcats.
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Post by crazy8 on Oct 18, 2013 7:53:45 GMT -5
or maybe 2015 is a long way off..... why did the other recruits change their path ? I am sure they were following the school etc. There has to be something more if recruits are changing their minds and is that at the root of their failing program? After all nobody loves failure .....or wants to see a school fail but 0-20 indicates something more .
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Post by vball54 on Oct 18, 2013 10:07:32 GMT -5
I have set back and read these comments. It is almost like chicken little in that the sky is falling without any proof. We have posters on this site who all they can do is look at the record and pass blame on the present coach. What a shallow analysis. What I understand from the volleyball community is she is an excellent coach. But lets talk about actual facts and not pure speculation. I too wondered how this could happen to such a solid program over the past ten years. I have done some simple research to look into this issue.
The 12-20 team of last year was 98% Reed Sunahara's team. It appears 2 freshemen played limited DS roles and 1 freshmen played some OH position, with a transfer setter playing part of the time. The same team that won the Big East the year before and now without one of the best outside hitters(a true terminatot- how important is that in closing out a match) in the country and without the freshmen setter who transfered in the summer to Texas State( supposedly a top notch setter). That same 12-20 team played the likes of Iowa State, Florida State, Tennesse(when they were loaded) New Mexoco State, Northwestern, Texas( National Champions- lost 29-31. 26-28 at Texas), Illinoise( lost 25-27), Westen Kentucky, Louisville, Marquette...It appears to have been one of the toughest schedule in the country. And who set that schedule? They finished fourth in the Big East and third in the Big East tournament( behind Louisville and Marquette) and what I have been told was that they did it without a proven setter. Heck, I understand they would have taken Hannah Allison or Chloe Collins in a heartbeat. Texas if you don't want either setter, I am sure Cincinnati could use either one.
This year they appear to be very young. This appears to be an understatement as to the present makeup. There roster is made up of 7 freshmen, 4 sophomores, and 3 juniors. It appears that they had only one senior on the roster at the start of the season. The record does not reflect any stats for this senior. I did hear that she was injured before the first match. Their actual records indicates several tough loses in five to Memphis and five to South Florida(lost last set 16-18). It also appears that they had a very difficult schedule at the beginning with a very young team. Their schedule shows that they played North Carolina, Michigan State, Ohio, Morehead State, Butler,... probably not the schedule that should have been in place for such a young team. They could have done like others did and played a week schedule to build up wins and create an illusion of success. Apparently, their coach chose not to go down that road. That rational can only be answered by the new coach. Even with the little research that I have done this team is rebuilding. If you actually examine their last five matches, they are competing. It does not appear that they are an easy win. Based on their youth and playing time based on stats, they should be stronger next year with the freshmen and sophomores having another year under their belts, coupled with the extensive playing time they are geting this year. So my analysis is not based on a 0-20 record.
Why is Cincinnati where they are today? That question can only be answered by Reed Sunahara and the Athletic Director. From my research, posters posted why Sunahara suddenly decided to leave. You can call it a resignation or a firing, the truth is he left in a hurry. All of a sudden that information was deleted from this site. The parents and administration are not talking. Why is that? It appears that they want to close that chapter and move on. I pose that the situation is 100% Reed Sunahara's fault. It appears without any doubt that he broke the system at Cincinnati and he and only he needs to come clean, as to how it was broke. Will it change the present status of Cincinnati, no, but it would at least lift the cloud off of this team. It appears to me and from what I have heard is that he broke the girls the year before. He just needs to come clean, accept responsibility and close this chapter. The new coach can rebuild and bring Cincinnati back to where they should be amoung the top 50 volleyball schools. And maybe some on this site will stop screaming that the sky is falling every time Cincinnati loses a match. And based on their schedule, they will lose more matches this year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 11:49:18 GMT -5
Your assertion that she had better offers is what annoys me. Clearly, this kid believes this is her best offer. Yes - it's an important distinction: An offer from a better team isn't always a better offer. It all depends on what the individual athlete is looking for in the experience: volleyball is only a portion (a small portion for some, a dominating portion for others) of the overall decision.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 18, 2013 12:00:58 GMT -5
It appears without any doubt that he broke the system at Cincinnati and he and only he needs to come clean, as to how it was broke. Will it change the present status of Cincinnati, no, but it would at least lift the cloud off of this team. It appears to me and from what I have heard is that he broke the girls the year before. He just needs to come clean, accept responsibility and close this chapter. The new coach can rebuild and bring Cincinnati back to where they should be amoung the top 50 volleyball schools. 24-10 23-8 23-9 27-6 22-11 20-12 22-7 19-12 27-7 25-11 30-6 27-10 Overall (2000-2011) 138-30, 9 NCAA appearances. Yes. Clearly broken.
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Post by vball54 on Oct 18, 2013 12:36:44 GMT -5
And poster's like you will give him all of the credit and not give him any of the blame. Did I not say that there were multiple good years( I believe I said 10) while he was the coach. When something brakes it is usually good before it brakes. It certainly appears not to be broken during those 12 seasons. How does such a succesful program go off the road? With such an accomplished record why did he leave? Looks like something broke for him to run out the door. Usually very succesful coaches don't just up and leave. But when they do and there is a sudden drop off, there is more to the story. There is absolutely more to the story but noone is talking. Maybe SI could do some investigating and brake a big story. Oops, sorry it is volleyball and not football; no story there.
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Post by bangtheball on Oct 18, 2013 13:19:59 GMT -5
Why is Cincinnati where they are today? That question can only be answered by Reed Sunahara and the Athletic Director. From my research, posters posted why Sunahara suddenly decided to leave. You can call it a resignation or a firing, the truth is he left in a hurry. All of a sudden that information was deleted from this site. The parents and administration are not talking. Why is that? It appears that they want to close that chapter and move on. Why is Cincinnati where they are today?... because Sunahara made bad choices... "resigned"... AD hired a coach with very little D1 experience who is trying to rebuild the program from the ground up. Why are the parents and administration not talking?... because the AD chose to protect Sunahara's reputation and when the parents speak the truth the information is deleted from this Board as hearsay. IMO the beans should have been spilled and Sunahara should have been held accountable for his actions. Was Alvey the right choice?... IMO probably not. Going from the top to the bottom is a hard, long fall for all... maybe a hiring a coach with a little more experience would have softened the fall.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 18, 2013 14:05:51 GMT -5
I think what gets me most about Cincinnati's fall is how FAR they've fallen. Pablo has them way down to 277. Of the 55 or so teams behind them, there are 5 from the American East, 5 from the MAAC, 10 from the MEAC, 5 from the Northeast, 4 from the Patriot and 10 from the SWAC. That's 39 teams from 6 conferences, and the remaining 17 are from the bottoms of maybe 14 more. You don't see Big East type teams that low, usually. That's really far down for such a good quality conference.
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Post by n00b on Oct 18, 2013 14:21:04 GMT -5
I think what gets me most about Cincinnati's fall is how FAR they've fallen. Pablo has them way down to 277. Of the 55 or so teams behind them, there are 5 from the American East, 5 from the MAAC, 10 from the MEAC, 5 from the Northeast, 4 from the Patriot and 10 from the SWAC. That's 39 teams from 6 conferences, and the remaining 17 are from the bottoms of maybe 14 more. You don't see Big East type teams that low, usually. That's really far down for such a good quality conference. You mean American Athletic Conference type teams...
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 18, 2013 14:28:05 GMT -5
I think what gets me most about Cincinnati's fall is how FAR they've fallen. Pablo has them way down to 277. Of the 55 or so teams behind them, there are 5 from the American East, 5 from the MAAC, 10 from the MEAC, 5 from the Northeast, 4 from the Patriot and 10 from the SWAC. That's 39 teams from 6 conferences, and the remaining 17 are from the bottoms of maybe 14 more. You don't see Big East type teams that low, usually. That's really far down for such a good quality conference. You mean American Athletic Conference type teams... No, Big East type. Because they were just Big East last year, and hence they are STILL Big East "type" despite not being in the Big East.
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