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Post by vbgirls2 on Apr 16, 2014 13:13:55 GMT -5
utoolity, I think awhile back someone - maybe John Tawa looked at the statistics and found that girls that committed early did not transfer anymore often than those that verballed/signed at juniors or seniors.
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Post by OptimusPrime on Apr 16, 2014 13:49:26 GMT -5
This is not a good example! I am not saying anything about Tom being fair or not, just that the Evan Sanders situation is not a good example. I am extremely familiar with the situation surrounding the Sanders transfer and suffice it to say that Tom was more than happy to give the release to Evan. I won't comment on the interpersonal relationships out of respect for both parties. The coaching staff was definitely not happy about their starting (and far and away best) setter transferring. That's what makes it a good example, CSU as a program was going to be in a worse competitive situation for Evan's absence but granted the release anyway. It was a complicated situation but Tom/CSU gave Evan her release and bore the consequences. Separately, the situation also happens to highlight points from my disagreement with vball54, which is that transfer situations come in many flavors, most of which involve the player requesting the transfer shouldering some of the responsibility. You are dead wrong!!! It was a huge dilemma for Tom to figure out how he was going to sit Evan and play Deej without "emotional" consequences for the team... He was happy the issue resolved on its own. Now, lets return to regularly scheduled transfer thread. I am noticing several players missing from 2014/15 rosters but no indication of request for release/transfer!!!!!
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Post by caavb on Apr 16, 2014 15:57:52 GMT -5
One added note to the transfer/release topic...if a coach or an AD would like to leave a school they can do so without consequences, (maybe it is the wrong fit, better opportunity came along, want to be closer to family, etc. etc.). Yes, there is the understanding with their players and staff that they would return but coaches leave programs all of the time. Athletes are given 4 years for their volleyball carear...why should a school be able to deny them a year to play when they find themselves in an unhappy situation? I don't understand the mentality of coaches that want to hold onto or punish a player for wanting to leave.
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Post by Garand on Apr 17, 2014 8:48:33 GMT -5
If I sign a consulting contract with someone for a year, we are both free to move on, without penalty, after that time. If the company wishes to renew my contract for another year, and I wish to do the same, then we are free to continue the working relationship. If not, we part ways free to continue our business activities (occasionally with confidentiality restrictions, etc.)
Since, with rare exceptions, volleyball scholarships are single-year contracts in which the girls play in exchange for compensation in the form of tuition, etc., why should that relationship be any different? Why should the school and coach have any control over a player after she leaves to ply her trade elsewhere?
I've never understood this aspect of college sports.
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Post by vbfan17 on Apr 17, 2014 9:19:13 GMT -5
If I sign a consulting contract with someone for a year, we are both free to move on, without penalty, after that time. If the company wishes to renew my contract for another year, and I wish to do the same, then we are free to continue the working relationship. If not, we part ways free to continue our business activities (occasionally with confidentiality restrictions, etc.)
Since, with rare exceptions, volleyball scholarships are single-year contracts in which the girls play in exchange for compensation in the form of tuition, etc., why should that relationship be any different? Why should the school and coach have any control over a player after she leaves to ply her trade elsewhere?
I've never understood this aspect of college sports. The relationship is different because if the decision is not mutual (e.g. they need you more than you need them) then they have an option to increase your compensation to make it worth your while to stay.
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Post by MsRSV on Apr 17, 2014 9:40:58 GMT -5
If I sign a consulting contract with someone for a year, we are both free to move on, without penalty, after that time. If the company wishes to renew my contract for another year, and I wish to do the same, then we are free to continue the working relationship. If not, we part ways free to continue our business activities (occasionally with confidentiality restrictions, etc.)
Since, with rare exceptions, volleyball scholarships are single-year contracts in which the girls play in exchange for compensation in the form of tuition, etc., why should that relationship be any different? Why should the school and coach have any control over a player after she leaves to ply her trade elsewhere?
I've never understood this aspect of college sports. The relationship is different because if the decision is not mutual (e.g. they need you more than you need them) then they have an option to increase your compensation to make it worth your while to stay. <rant warning> AND it's a known part of the contract when it is signed. It's not like it's a surprise or unexpected, it's just that we have been told our kids are the most special snowflakes ever, and we tell our kids that, and when we all believe it becomes hard to believe that the RULES OUTLINED BY THE AGREEMENT actually pertain to our very special, very unique snowflake. </rant>
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Post by vball54 on Apr 17, 2014 10:16:06 GMT -5
The one point that is missing is that the bargaining power is not on the side of the player. Many kids may only have one or two offers. Since in many cases if it is only a one year contract why does the NCAA perpetrate this burden on the student athlete? Noone as yet to articulated a sound reason for why this rule should be in place.
The scenario that sucks is where a girl is brought into a program under one coach. That coach leaves(no restriction there) and a new coach is hired. The player who was a starter under the prior coach is now a part time or bench player unde the new coach. The player wants to leave and request a general release. Coach and adminastration want budge on a general release. They want to control where she goes. Probably does not want her to play for prior coach. But that might be the only option for that player. That is where the politics, mean spirit, get back at prior coach comes into play. It is no longer about the player but about other agendas. The rule needs to be abolished. If the NCAA is truely about the student athlete, they need to start acting like it. If the new coach did not feel like the player was good enough to start why hang onto the player? It is just a mean spirited approach and pure rottennness.
Another player plays for a program for a year and tares it up. But the leaders on the team graduate and now you have a very mean spirited team that believes good motivation allows for players to be cussed on the court. Coaching group wants to win at all cost and any motivation is worth the result. Player A is fed up with this approach and wants to leave. In the work place that would be a hostile environment and would lead to a lawsuit. In the work place the employee gets to leave and may wind up with a bag full of money:)Player leaves and is not granted a release. So we support abuse, prevent a tranfer and punish the person who wants to get away from the abuse. A really nice system that we have in place. We allow the bullies to continue on their path for the sake of winning. I can give many more scenarios, but clearly this rule needs to change and it needs to change now. NCAA wake up, does it take another hurting kid for you to react?
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Post by MsRSV on Apr 17, 2014 14:12:15 GMT -5
That coach leaves(no restriction there) and a new coach is hired. Many of top coaches I know cannot actually leave unrestricted... their contracts do include significant buy-out clauses. And for pete's sake, we are talking about bargaining for the opportunity to pay for school by playing volleyball... really??? It's a sport in exchange for a high dollar commodity. Sometimes I find myself laughing at the fact that my education was paid for because I could do a single track and field event very well... seriously, that has sound a bit ridiculous to most people. Carry on.
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Post by gophergirl on Apr 17, 2014 14:29:26 GMT -5
How is most of this information on recruiting and transfers for minnesota found?
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Post by vbgirl23 on Apr 17, 2014 17:26:52 GMT -5
Ciara Brown has just received her release from USF. She still has two years of eligibilty left and is a great OH/RS with both previous years of experience.
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Post by jacksonvillevb on Apr 17, 2014 17:32:23 GMT -5
Ciara Brown transferring from USF. Great kid and a very hard worker. Will do well at any school. OH/RS hitter, great ball control
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Post by colonel84 on Apr 17, 2014 20:32:01 GMT -5
Setter/RS/OH (6'1", HS Class of 2013, Currently playing D1) looking for transfer opportunity.
Daughter is looking to transfer to another D1 program - if any one has info on opportunites please post or PM me. Thanks
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Post by colonel84 on Apr 18, 2014 9:38:14 GMT -5
Setter mentioned above has release.
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Post by volleyballbeast on Apr 18, 2014 9:42:48 GMT -5
Ciara Brown is a 6'0'' OH/RS from USF. Just received her release yesterday.
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Post by vbman100 on Apr 18, 2014 10:23:58 GMT -5
Is Ciara Brown transferring from USF? I thought I would find something here if she was.
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