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Post by Garand on Jun 10, 2014 21:18:48 GMT -5
I see your point, but if it were truly rhetorical, then BYU wouldn't have a team.
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Post by eastbeach on Jun 10, 2014 22:10:52 GMT -5
Ha ha ha - you're clever. I'm going to follow you! In all seriousness, Utah works for some people but it doesn't appeal to all. California's UC system is very attractive to many students -and parents - great locations, lower cost of education and world class academics. The 'lower cost' is useful in case your son or daughter decides to stop playing volleyball. Yes, it does happen!
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Post by setsup22 on Jun 10, 2014 22:45:41 GMT -5
Wow, what a get by OSU!!! Isn't this a big loss for MTSU?
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Post by setsup22 on Jun 10, 2014 22:45:53 GMT -5
Wow, what a get by OSU!!! Isn't this a big loss for MTSU?
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Post by Garand on Jun 11, 2014 2:54:39 GMT -5
Ha ha ha - you're clever. I'm going to follow you! In all seriousness, Utah works for some people but it doesn't appeal to all. California's UC system is very attractive to many students -and parents - great locations, lower cost of education and world class academics. The 'lower cost' is useful in case your son or daughter decides to stop playing volleyball. Yes, it does happen! FWIW, Irvine is a noticeably higher ranked university than BYU (at least according to USN&WR), so she made a move upward academically with the change. The UC schools are real bargains and many of the campuses are very, very nice. At the time, public vs private was an issue that we discussed when my daughter was making her choice between colleges. If a fifth year had been necessary, the cost difference between public and private for even one year would have been significant.
BTW, what does it mean to "follow" someone? Should I be nervous?
BTW2, that's about as clever as I've ever been, so don't get your hopes up.
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Post by sportie44 on Jun 11, 2014 3:47:04 GMT -5
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Post by eastbeach on Jun 11, 2014 10:31:23 GMT -5
Ha ha ha - you're clever. I'm going to follow you! In all seriousness, Utah works for some people but it doesn't appeal to all. California's UC system is very attractive to many students -and parents - great locations, lower cost of education and world class academics. The 'lower cost' is useful in case your son or daughter decides to stop playing volleyball. Yes, it does happen! FWIW, Irvine is a noticeably higher ranked university than BYU (at least according to USN&WR), so she made a move upward academically with the change. The UC schools are real bargains and many of the campuses are very, very nice. At the time, public vs private was an issue that we discussed when my daughter was making her choice between colleges. If a fifth year had been necessary, the cost difference between public and private for even one year would have been significant.
BTW, what does it mean to "follow" someone? Should I be nervous?
BTW2, that's about as clever as I've ever been, so don't get your hopes up.
I agree with you about the UCs but not about the cost vs. time differential, which is a favored selling point with the private schools. The simple math involved doesn't support that concept! For example, let's compare UC (CA public university) tuition to private school tuition, leaving housing out of the equation. Housing is housing and doesn't vary, except by geography. "The cost for one year of tuition and fees varies widely among colleges. According to the College Board, the average cost of tuition and fees for the 2013–2014 school year was $30,094 at private colleges, $8,893 for state residents at public colleges, and $22,203 for out-of-state residents attending public universities." www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064The UC tuition is $13,200 a year - four years would be $52,800. Heck 5 years is $66,000. Private University tuition for four years is $120,376. I believe that four years' tuition at a private university at $120,000 is not cheaper than four years at a UC at $52,800. And certainly you could add a fifth year for less than the difference of about $70K. It's also a fallacy that you can't graduate in four years, after all the athletes get priority registration!
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Post by volleyballfanatic on Jun 11, 2014 11:03:25 GMT -5
What is up at Georgia Southern? They have three gone from last fall's roster, and a fourth that started in January is already gone. Is it a delayed reaction to coach Chad's departure.? Chad did a great job and will be hard to replace.
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Post by codigger on Jun 11, 2014 11:41:38 GMT -5
6'1" Middle available for Fall 2014 with release. Played/started at small DI conference. Private message me if you need details/contact info.
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Post by ocbbth on Jun 11, 2014 13:31:10 GMT -5
FWIW, Irvine is a noticeably higher ranked university than BYU (at least according to USN&WR), so she made a move upward academically with the change. The UC schools are real bargains and many of the campuses are very, very nice. At the time, public vs private was an issue that we discussed when my daughter was making her choice between colleges. If a fifth year had been necessary, the cost difference between public and private for even one year would have been significant.
BTW, what does it mean to "follow" someone? Should I be nervous?
BTW2, that's about as clever as I've ever been, so don't get your hopes up.
I agree with you about the UCs but not about the cost vs. time differential, which is a favored selling point with the private schools. The simple math involved doesn't support that concept! For example, let's compare UC (CA public university) tuition to private school tuition, leaving housing out of the equation. Housing is housing and doesn't vary, except by geography. "The cost for one year of tuition and fees varies widely among colleges. According to the College Board, the average cost of tuition and fees for the 2013–2014 school year was $30,094 at private colleges, $8,893 for state residents at public colleges, and $22,203 for out-of-state residents attending public universities." www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064The UC tuition is $13,200 a year - four years would be $52,800. Heck 5 years is $66,000. Private University tuition for four years is $120,376. I believe that four years' tuition at a private university at $120,000 is not cheaper than four years at a UC at $52,800. And certainly you could add a fifth year for less than the difference of about $70K. It's also a fallacy that you can't graduate in four years, after all the athletes get priority registration!
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Post by ocbbth on Jun 11, 2014 13:33:33 GMT -5
I agree with you about the UCs but not about the cost vs. time differential, which is a favored selling point with the private schools. The simple math involved doesn't support that concept! For example, let's compare UC (CA public university) tuition to private school tuition, leaving housing out of the equation. Housing is housing and doesn't vary, except by geography. "The cost for one year of tuition and fees varies widely among colleges. According to the College Board, the average cost of tuition and fees for the 2013–2014 school year was $30,094 at private colleges, $8,893 for state residents at public colleges, and $22,203 for out-of-state residents attending public universities." www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064The UC tuition is $13,200 a year - four years would be $52,800. Heck 5 years is $66,000. Private University tuition for four years is $120,376. I believe that four years' tuition at a private university at $120,000 is not cheaper than four years at a UC at $52,800. And certainly you could add a fifth year for less than the difference of about $70K. It's also a fallacy that you can't graduate in four years, after all the athletes get priority registration! You are working with sticker prices here. I have coached college volleyball for 20 years at both public and private colleges and this is one of the biggest myths out there. Public colleges give no where near the discount rate that private colleges do with merit based scholarships. The majority of private institution will give an average discount rate of 50% after grants and merit based scholarships; this significantly reduces your math to virtually the same cost ($15,047 vs $13,200). Of course some pay more, but some pay less. Unless you are dealing with athletic scholarships you can easily find a private school that will cost you the same or even less than a public college and maybe even give you a better education. Unless you are one of the lucky 3% of all the high school volleyball players that will receive a Division 1 scholarship for volleyball there is no reason to not consider private colleges based on the math. Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/52093/d1-transfers-2014?page=24&scrollTo=1149013#ixzz34MCBX5JM
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Post by eastbeach on Jun 11, 2014 16:34:20 GMT -5
You are working with sticker prices here. I have coached college volleyball for 20 years at both public and private colleges and this is one of the biggest myths out there. Public colleges give no where near the discount rate that private colleges do with merit based scholarships. The majority of private institution will give an average discount rate of 50% after grants and merit based scholarships; this significantly reduces your math to virtually the same cost ($15,047 vs $13,200). Of course some pay more, but some pay less. Unless you are dealing with athletic scholarships you can easily find a private school that will cost you the same or even less than a public college and maybe even give you a better education. Unless you are one of the lucky 3% of all the high school volleyball players that will receive a Division 1 scholarship for volleyball there is no reason to not consider private colleges based on the math. Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/52093/d1-transfers-2014?page=24&scrollTo=1149013#ixzz34MCBX5JMInteresting response. I think the discounts somehow never come to the middle class that pays sticker price for college. Of course college scholarships for volleyball help!
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 11, 2014 17:14:17 GMT -5
Excited to find out who the pac12 player is. Seems like this one is very hush hush. Probably won't find out till season starts. Maybe a little sooner
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Post by deepsouthfan on Jun 11, 2014 19:12:24 GMT -5
Excited to find out who the pac12 player is. Seems like this one is very hush hush. Probably won't find out till season starts. Maybe a little sooner Maybe be a Cal school? Just a guess.
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Post by courtside on Jun 12, 2014 21:16:01 GMT -5
Excited to find out who the pac12 player is. Seems like this one is very hush hush. Probably won't find out till season starts. Maybe a little sooner The mystery is solved. Florida state naps USC MB Kiara Wright and Ohio OH Katie Horton.
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