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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 1, 2014 16:00:32 GMT -5
iowa has never been bad. mediocre is the worst you can say about them. but when you're better than 2/3 of the other d1 schools, "bad" seems the wrong word. Relative to what they have to compete against, they have been awful. The majority of the teams in the bottom third don't have many scholarships, full-time staff, budgets....... If you feel good about that, I feel sorry for you. They are going to be way better, and that will happen fairly soon, but make no bones about it, they have stunk.
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Post by gtvb1 on Apr 1, 2014 17:11:19 GMT -5
Folks, as little as some of you are willing to believe/accept, Iowa is going to be good in the near future. I think they'll be competitive, maybe a bubble team the next two years. After that I expect them to be a regular NCAA team that advances. I predict in 5-6 years, they'll be in the B1G mix and in the talk for Final 4 potential.
Bond is that good. He recruits well, trains well and is a man of dignity. Pretty good combo for a HC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 17:16:42 GMT -5
iowa has never been bad. mediocre is the worst you can say about them. but when you're better than 2/3 of the other d1 schools, "bad" seems the wrong word. Relative to what they have to compete against, they have been awful. The majority of the teams in the bottom third don't have many scholarships, full-time staff, budgets....... If you feel good about that, I feel sorry for you. They are going to be way better, and that will happen fairly soon, but make no bones about it, they have stunk. fine. ignoring the fact they are better than at least 2/3 of the other d1 programs, they stink. if that makes you feel better about yourself. it's a lie, but whatever.
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Post by PSUVolley on Apr 1, 2014 18:19:34 GMT -5
iowa has never been bad. mediocre is the worst you can say about them. but when you're better than 2/3 of the other d1 schools, "bad" seems the wrong word. For a state flagship university in one of the two wealthiest and premier volleyball conferences in the nation, they have been awful.
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Post by PSUVolley on Apr 1, 2014 18:21:00 GMT -5
Folks, as little as some of you are willing to believe/accept, Iowa is going to be good in the near future. I think they'll be competitive, maybe a bubble team the next two years. After that I expect them to be a regular NCAA team that advances. I predict in 5-6 years, they'll be in the B1G mix and in the talk for Final 4 potential. Bond is that good. He recruits well, trains well and is a man of dignity. Pretty good combo for a HC. In 5-6 years, they might be a middle of the pack B1G team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 18:24:44 GMT -5
iowa has never been bad. mediocre is the worst you can say about them. but when you're better than 2/3 of the other d1 schools, "bad" seems the wrong word. For a state flagship university in one of the two wealthiest and premier volleyball conferences in the nation, they have been awful. you guys can favor us with your opinions all you want, but i'm stating facts. "awful" and "bad" are not accurate descriptions unless you qualify it with "relative to the b10" or "the teams better than them." pablo consistently 60-100. this is not awful or bad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 19:22:35 GMT -5
For a state flagship university in one of the two wealthiest and premier volleyball conferences in the nation, they have been awful. you guys can favor us with your opinions all you want, but i'm stating facts. "awful" and "bad" are not accurate descriptions unless you qualify it with "relative to the b10" or "the teams better than them." pablo consistently 60-100. this is not awful or bad. As you've stated, awful and bad are relative terms. If we're comparing Iowa to other programs with the same number of scholarships, the same size athletic budget, the same level of facilities -- then we're not comparing them against 200 other D1 programs. Some of those who are calling them awful or bad are only comparing them to schools in similar situations - not necessarily when comparing them to all programs that happen to be in the same classification as them. Sure, they might not be awful when compared to all NCAA programs. But your awful and someone else's awful are very clearly relating to the team using different qualifiers, so there aren't really any 'facts' showing how awful they are, because as YOU said, that's a relative term. Why argue if you know you're not relating back to the same criteria?
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Post by gtvb1 on Apr 1, 2014 19:42:57 GMT -5
Folks, as little as some of you are willing to believe/accept, Iowa is going to be good in the near future. I think they'll be competitive, maybe a bubble team the next two years. After that I expect them to be a regular NCAA team that advances. I predict in 5-6 years, they'll be in the B1G mix and in the talk for Final 4 potential. Bond is that good. He recruits well, trains well and is a man of dignity. Pretty good combo for a HC. In 5-6 years, they might be a middle of the pack B1G team. I'll go out on a limb and say they'll have 2 Ws over PSU within 6 years. 7 tops. Provided they get enough opportunities with B1G scheduling and all. But, it's nice to see the most biased poster on VT coming around....slowly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 19:50:50 GMT -5
you guys can favor us with your opinions all you want, but i'm stating facts. "awful" and "bad" are not accurate descriptions unless you qualify it with "relative to the b10" or "the teams better than them." pablo consistently 60-100. this is not awful or bad. As you've stated, awful and bad are relative terms. If we're comparing Iowa to other programs with the same number of scholarships, the same size athletic budget, the same level of facilities -- then we're not comparing them against 200 other D1 programs. Some of those who are calling them awful or bad are only comparing them to schools in similar situations - not necessarily when comparing them to all programs that happen to be in the same classification as them. Sure, they might not be awful when compared to all NCAA programs. But your awful and someone else's awful are very clearly relating to the team using different qualifiers, so there aren't really any 'facts' showing how awful they are, because as YOU said, that's a relative term. Why argue if you know you're not relating back to the same criteria? because i am not qualifying anything. iowa does not have an awful team. the people who are saying they are awful are putting them into a subset. here's the difference for you: me: iowa is not an awful volleyball team them: iowa is awful if you compare them to ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 20:01:47 GMT -5
here's the difference for you: me: iowa is not an awful volleyball team them: iowa is awful if you compare them to ... are you not comparing them to "200+ other D1 programs"? You are. You have to qualify awful somehow. Just as you have to qualify "not awful." You are saying Iowa is not awful compared to a majority of the division of the NCAA under which they compete. Others are saying Iowa IS awful compared a majority of the conference of the NCAA under which they compete. Neither is right or wrong; you just aren't speaking on the same terms, so your argument against others is invalid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 20:07:18 GMT -5
that's just silly. that'd be like me saying iowa's great compared to meat loaf. i have no subset. they are a college volleyball team and they are not an awful college volleyball team. the only way you can say they are awful is by placing them in a subset. i am just keeping them there in their own category.
you are so wrong about this, it's laughable. almost as if you want to argue for the sake of arguing.
well, scooter, you're on. (and you will lose. badly.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 20:09:18 GMT -5
So....Bond managed to lure away an undersized player from a Horizon League team with a .500 record. Damn that guy's good. And the folks here acting like that's somehow impressive? C'mon, all that tells you is just how bad Iowa was. here's the comment, btw.
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Post by siddhartha on Apr 1, 2014 22:18:20 GMT -5
So....Bond managed to lure away an undersized player from a Horizon League team with a .500 record. Damn that guy's good. And the folks here acting like that's somehow impressive? C'mon, all that tells you is just how bad Iowa was. here's the comment, btw. No disrespect to the young lady but when an undersized player from a .500 team in a far inferior conference is an upgrade, it gives you an indication of how much work he has in front of him. People are acting like he's doing something incredible because he's brought some new kids in but let's be real, it's slim pick' ns this time of year. Is Iowa bad? Compared to the rest of the B1G, yes. Compared to the team he left, yes. Compared to the teams that made the tournament, yes. Compared to the rest of the teams in the state of Iowa, yes. Think about how crazy it is for the main state school, playing in the best v'ball conference in the country to be only the third best team in the state. He'll do well. They'll get better. But you have to be realistic, it's not going to happen overnight. They have a ways to go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 23:28:58 GMT -5
that's just silly. that'd be like me saying iowa's great compared to meat loaf. i have no subset. they are a college volleyball team and they are not an awful college volleyball team. the only way you can say they are awful is by placing them in a subset. i am just keeping them there in their own category. you are so wrong about this, it's laughable. almost as if you want to argue for the sake of arguing. well, scooter, you're on. (and you will lose. badly.) AHHHH. You are comparing them to ALL COLLEGE VOLLEYBALL TEAMS. Everyone else is comparing them to ALL BIG TEN VOLLEYBALL TEAMS. AND SINCE THE TERM 'AWFUL' IS RELATIVE HERE (MEANS NOTHING OUT OF CONTEXT) THEN OF COURSE ONE OF YOU MAY CALL THEM AWFUL AND ANOTHER OF YOU MIGHT NOT. It's REALLY not hard.
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Post by Mocha on Apr 1, 2014 23:38:47 GMT -5
Go Hawks!
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