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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 23:47:18 GMT -5
that's just silly. that'd be like me saying iowa's great compared to meat loaf. i have no subset. they are a college volleyball team and they are not an awful college volleyball team. the only way you can say they are awful is by placing them in a subset. i am just keeping them there in their own category. you are so wrong about this, it's laughable. almost as if you want to argue for the sake of arguing. well, scooter, you're on. (and you will lose. badly.) AHHHH. You are comparing them to ALL COLLEGE VOLLEYBALL TEAMS. Everyone else is comparing them to ALL BIG TEN VOLLEYBALL TEAMS. AND SINCE THE TERM 'AWFUL' IS RELATIVE HERE (MEANS NOTHING OUT OF CONTEXT) THEN OF COURSE ONE OF YOU MAY CALL THEM AWFUL AND ANOTHER OF YOU MIGHT NOT. It's REALLY not hard. well, obviously it's very difficult for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 23:51:18 GMT -5
me: i'm not the oldest person on the planet.
goopherfun: you're older than all the people younger than you.
yep. same exact thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 8:20:42 GMT -5
Iowa has been hovering around the 100 mark of the RPI for many years. Some years better, many years worse. My take is that Dingman and her staff brought in bottom third Big Ten talent and the program lost the confidence to win with that ability level. Not sure Iowa's talent was that much different from Northwestern or Ohio State. I don't think it is going to take Houdini to move Iowa to 8th or 9th place. I can see them above Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana - and maybe Northwestern, although the Wildcats have a nice class arriving.
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Post by PSUVolley on Apr 2, 2014 8:42:11 GMT -5
Iowa has been hovering around the 100 mark of the RPI for many years. Some years better, many years worse. My take is that Dingman and her staff brought in bottom third Big Ten talent and the program lost the confidence to win with that ability level. Not sure Iowa's talent was that much different from Northwestern or Ohio State. I don't think it is going to take Houdini to move Iowa to 8th or 9th place. I can see them above Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana - and maybe Northwestern, although the Wildcats have a nice class arriving. Ohio State has always had better talent than Iowa. Northwestern had better talent than Iowa during the Dingman era. Holthus is certainly far better than any Iowa player during Dingman's tenure. You can probably say the same of Dutchman too.
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Post by vbman100 on Apr 2, 2014 9:10:57 GMT -5
that's just silly. that'd be like me saying iowa's great compared to meat loaf. i have no subset. they are a college volleyball team and they are not an awful college volleyball team. the only way you can say they are awful is by placing them in a subset. i am just keeping them there in their own category. you are so wrong about this, it's laughable. almost as if you want to argue for the sake of arguing. well, scooter, you're on. (and you will lose. badly.) You have not had my meat loaf. Iowa was good. My meat loaf is better. Unless you are talking about the singer, Meat Loaf. They would be about even. Although, attendance is much better for Meat Loaf than Iowa volleyball.
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Post by volleyfiend on Apr 2, 2014 9:15:26 GMT -5
Everyone starts out at the bottom no matter what PSUVolley thinks!! I am not going to argue with the fools that feel the need to build their programs up at the expense of Iowa. Good Luck Bond and Iowa Hawkeye Volleyball.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 2, 2014 9:20:02 GMT -5
Relative to what they have to compete against, they have been awful. The majority of the teams in the bottom third don't have many scholarships, full-time staff, budgets....... If you feel good about that, I feel sorry for you. They are going to be way better, and that will happen fairly soon, but make no bones about it, they have stunk. fine. ignoring the fact they are better than at least 2/3 of the other d1 programs, they stink. if that makes you feel better about yourself. it's a lie, but whatever. What makes me feel better about myself is that I can read. I said "relative to who they play" I also said relative to teams funded as well. If it makes you feel better they are also better than every HS and MS team in the country. I think Iowa will be greatly improved and be competitive in the Big in the future. Relative to who they play however Iowa has been awful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 13:35:41 GMT -5
this is also not true. iowa was 9-3 outside the b1g last year.
i don't care if you want to state the obvious. you were arguing with a comment i made that had zero to do with how they've been faring in the b1g. as a matter of fact, my comment was implicitly addressing that very point: sure people think they are awful -- when you place them in the context of the b1g -- but they are not.
keep on arguing about this, if you want. but, like goopher, you are either wrong or being overly obvious. facts are facts.
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Post by gustywinds on Apr 2, 2014 13:59:32 GMT -5
Iowa did go 9-3 outside the Big Ten last year, but they had some close calls in those 9 wins...including 3-2 victories over Wofford (RKPI of 263) and Youngstown State (RKPI 190). This debate aside, I think Bond will do well at Iowa, but in time. The program has a long way to go and is not at all in the same situation that Wisconsin was last year when Kelly arrived. I guess anything is possible, but it seems that similar expectations for Bond's first year would be silly....and most likely set him and his fans up for disappointment.
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Post by Xplaya on Apr 2, 2014 14:00:24 GMT -5
this is also not true. iowa was 9-3 outside the b1g last year. i don't care if you want to state the obvious. you were arguing with a comment i made that had zero to do with how they've been faring in the b1g. as a matter of fact, my comment was implicitly addressing that very point: sure people think they are awful -- when you place them in the context of the b1g -- but they are not. keep on arguing about this, if you want. but, like goopher, you are either wrong or being overly obvious. facts are facts. You're right, facts are facts...their 9 OOC wins last year were against teams that had a combined 122-156 record. The only good win was a 3-2 win vs Milwaukee. The other 8: Wofford, Youngstown St, Coastal Carolina, Rhode Island, Eastern Michigan, Drake (2 total wins), Western Illinois, UIC (9 total wins)...basically, not good teams. They were 2-11 in the Big 10. 2 wins vs. Indiana (both 3-2 wins). I believe that would constitute as awful in the Big 10...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 16:08:07 GMT -5
there are a lot of stupid people on this forum.
me: sure people think they are awful -- when you place them in the context of the b1g -- but they are not.
then: they were 2-1[8] in the Big 10. 2 wins vs. Indiana (both 3-2 wins). I believe that would constitute as awful in the Big 10...
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Post by spikerthemovie on Apr 2, 2014 16:15:50 GMT -5
I know everyone in this thread is disagreeing about the definition of "awful" but perhaps we can unite in agreement that this thread has become awful?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 16:19:08 GMT -5
I know everyone in this thread is disagreeing about the definition of "awful" but perhaps we can unite in agreement that this thread has become awful? as long as we unite in agreement that i am right.
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Post by siddhartha on Apr 2, 2014 16:20:45 GMT -5
there are a lot of stupid people on this forum. Yeah, likes folks who crow about a RPI around 100 given the recruiting advantage of being a B1G program. Iowa was awful which is why Bond was hired. You know what they call coaches that agree with your assessment - unemployed.
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Post by FreeBall on Apr 2, 2014 16:47:22 GMT -5
Is it realistic to expect Iowa to have turnaround like Christy Johnson-Lynch engineered at Iowa State?
Prior to hiring CJL, Iowa State had nine straight losing seasons and a 13-167 record in Big 12 play. In 2004 they were 8-21 overall and 11th (last) in the Big 12 with a record of 1-19. The table below shows how Iowa State did in the first five seasons after CJL took over the program:
Year | Overall Record | Conference Record | Conference Rank | NCAA Tournament | 2005 | 16-15 | 9-11 | 6th | N/A | 2006 | 21-11 | 12-8 | 4th | 2nd Round | 2007 | 19-14 | 11-9 | 5th | Regional Semifinalist | 2008 | 22-13 | 11-9 | 4th | Regional Finalist | 2009 | 27-5 | 17-3 | 2nd | Regional Semifinalist |
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